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Subject: Re: What about the Doritos?
From: ejLight@Light-Mission.org (E.J.)
Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 02:29:41 GMT
Greetings Renee, you wrote: ->Alllriiiighty then! <raising hand carefully from the back of the classroom> -> ->Can I keep my Doritos? LOL -> ->Man plans and God laughs....
E.J. laughs too. Why do you sit at the back of the class ? Come forward more often please. As long as they are not YOUR Doritos, if they are just Doritos, unpossessed by some Illusory possessor, sure, enjoy. Doritos are good, it is the false conditioned notion of ownership that gets in our Way. The American Indian was amazed and taken aback as the new so called civilization marched southward and westward to *occupy* and *own* the land they overtook. It took the American Indian a long time to understand this concept of *ownership*. To them, as the Wise Sages offer, we can use the wonders of Nature and anything we construct, but how can we *own* something that we have to leave when we leave. Do we still own anything after we are gone ? We chain ourselves to *things* but that does not stop us from going and the *things* staying, so why bother dealing with the chains in the first place ?
And: ->ROFL!!!!!!! My point was to step back and not intellectualize this stuff so ->much. One can get lost in the MIND as well as in this world. Have a sense ->of humor..that sort of thing.
Indeed the Illusion we call life can not be taken too seriously. And though practice is engaged in with the caution that one does not mistake the practice for actual Awakening, it is most certain that we take Awakening very seriously. Present problem is that people take their conditioned notions seriously and not their Awakening. We have things backwards, I would say.
~ To Lose Oneself and Find One's Self ~
1996 - Yogajyotii
Subject: Re: A Ray Of Light
From: Sharlene <Sharlene@Light-Mission.org>
Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 07:08:49 -0700
At 05:13 AM 4/3/01 +0000, you wrote: >Greetings Ray, you wrote: >"In our transition from Seeping to Awakening we must maintain an attention >of "not sure", yet once Awakening we are very sure for we are then not >controlled and manipulated by conditioned notions or intentions.
I have found that many people don't comprehend the idea of not having an opinion. Do we need to be opinionated? I don't think so. Do we need to have an answer for every statement or question? I think not. Not having an opinion doesn't mean one isn't up to date on things, it just means what is- is. Anything we do not have the power to change for ourselves should be free from opinion. Anything we haven't experienced for ourselves should be opinion free.
We are fed so much crap and part truths from the media, that it is impossible to form an opinion or thought on anything from the point of truth. Every book we read is just anothers point of view, don't take it for your own truth, one has to experience their own truth.
Opinions are judgements. Opinions are beliefs. If we make an opinion on anything, we are speaking through our own conditioning and believe we are right. Not having an opinion doesn't mean you are stupid, it means that you are free from clinging to a judgement and free from carrying conditioned thoughts towards what is. How can anyone have an opinion when we do not know the truth?
Believe nothing you hear, half of what you see, and experience truth for yourself.
Thats my opinion : )
So, now I am feeling a bit better after a round of antibiotics that dam near killed me, or at least felt like it. Not sure what was worse, the infection or the cure. I guess I had pneumonia in the bronchial tubes since that cold in Jan. Finally went to the Doc and ran a series of tests. This has proved to be my worst winter ever heath wise. But now I am on the mend, watch out world, soon to be released, a new version of an old person.
Talk later
Subject: Re: A Ray Of Light
From: "Gary L. Rocha" <glr@home.com>
Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 11:57:57 -0600
But now I am on the mend, watch out world, soon to be released, a new version of an old person. The transformation is already showing :) Great posting Sharlerne ~ and that's MY opinion :))
Subject: Re: A Ray Of Light
From: ejLight@Light-Mission.org (E.J.)
Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 03:11:10 GMT
Greetings Sharnanda-ji, you wrote: ->I have found that many people don't comprehend the idea of not having an ->opinion. Do we need to be opinionated? I don't think so. Do we need to have ->an answer for every statement or question? I think not.
Sadly True. And it would not be so bad if they Realized that they were "opinions". The sad Fact is that they are conditioned to *think* that their opinions are the Truth. The do not know the difference. Sleeping, they would not have Directly Experienced Truth so all they have to cling to are their opinions and their beliefs in another's opinion. Another sad Fact about opinions and beliefs is that the original Pointer or Pointing may very well be Pointing out the Fact/Truth. The finger then becomes the *authority* and the Pointing becomes the Truth, so the actual Truth is never Recognized/Realized. If it were a simple matter of *self-destruction*, doing their own thing, it would not be so bad but it is that they destroy others, preventing them form doing their own thing, in the process. Opinions and beliefs are the very foundation of war and conflict and greed and selfishness and crime and disrespect. They have to get the finger out of their eye so they can See.
->Not having an opinion doesn't mean one isn't up to date on things, it just ->means what is- is. Anything we do not have the power to change for ->ourselves should be free from opinion. Anything we haven't experienced for ->ourselves should be opinion free.
Indeed, what is wrong with saying "I'm not sure" or "I don't know" ? OR, "interesting, I am going to find out" ? A most difficult conditioned notion to let go of. After all, what if Superman said, "are you crazy, I can't do that, who do you think I am, Batman ?" Or what if Batman said, "are you crazy, I can't do that, who do you think I am, Superman ?" Or if Jacquie said, "are you crazy, Legless frogs can't jump ?" What then ?
->We are fed so much crap and part truths from the media, that it is ->impossible to form an opinion or thought on anything from the point of truth. ->Every book we read is just anothers point of view, don't take it for your ->own truth, one has to experience their own truth.
True. I can only suggest a good book that *tells it like it IS*, "Affirmations Of Light".
->Opinions are judgements. Opinions are beliefs. If we make an opinion on ->anything, we are speaking through our own conditioning and believe we are ->right.
True. We stand for nothing, so we take anything.
->Not having an opinion doesn't mean you are stupid, it means that you are ->free from clinging to a judgement and free from carrying conditioned ->thoughts towards what is. How can anyone have an opinion when we do not ->know the truth?
True. Why we have opinions is because we do not know the Truth.
->Believe nothing you hear, half of what you see, and experience truth for ->yourself.
Believe nothing you hear because it is noise, believe nothing you see because it is an Illusion, BE the Truth you Directly Experience.
->So, now I am feeling a bit better after a round of antibiotics that dam ->near killed me, or at least felt like it. Not sure what was worse, the ->infection or the cure.
This can serve as a good analogy for Awakening -- Sleeping being the illness, letting go of conditioned notions being the cure. During the Pain of letting go we feel that perhaps the cure is worse than the illness. Only after we let it go, only after the sliver is plucked out, do we Realize the Relief. Only after we "Just Do It" do we THEN kick ourself in the butt for not taking the Cure sooner.
->But now I am on the mend, watch out world, ->soon to be released, a new version of an old person.
Person2001 -- have you contacted Microsoft ?
Subject: Re: A Ray Of Light
From: Sharlene <Sharlene@Light-Mission.org>
Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 06:00:46 -0700
> This is St. Thomas >Aquinas' introduction to his whole Summa Theologica: "Since we cannot know >what God is, but only what God is not, we cannot consider how God is but >only how He is not."
I may be reading this wrong,so feel free to correct me. How can we say what God is not if we don't know what God is? How can we say how God is not if we don't know how God is? We seem to follow some sort of rule that God is this almighty powerful energy being, one that is truth and love beyond all human conditions. We say in a moment of joy or peace that we experienced being one with God, and yet, without a God concept, we would have no words to describe that same experience. We may think we are not conditioned, or think we have no beliefs, and turn around and use words like God as a comparison to all that feels good. We can say what God is not, only from the belief we carry about what God is.
Vows of any kind are a belief. We swear to tell the truth, the whole truth,nothing but the truth in the name of God. How can we do that when we don't know the whole truth? We pledge allegiance to our country,God and the flag. Why do we do that?
Why do we, out of some fear of the unknown, swear or vow to something that is a concept? Ownership is a concept. Borders between countries,states and provinces are all concepts. Divided we fall. Each imaginary line we draw separates and segregates us from just being. Each church or religion draws an imaginary line around their belief systems and will fight to the death to defend that imaginary line.
The Governments separates us by imaginary lines for better control of the masses and within those lines we add the lines of church and beliefs. How much of us is left to experience freedom? There are so many laws written by each that physical freedom is a concept. Spiritual freedom is a concept. We have the freedom to choose which beliefs we will live by, which is also illusion, as there is no freedom in a belief. Beliefs draw lines of separation around us. We join groups of similar thinkers so we are not alone. We fear aloneness. We find comfort in having our beliefs supported by more than one. We need validation for being who we are. We gain strength from numbers. This is most evident during elections and in religious crusades. We spread our infectious beliefs to the masses through fear.
Ray always gets me going....yikes.....
Morning everyone,
Subject: Re: A Ray Of Light
From: ejLight@Light-Mission.org (E.J.)
Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 19:38:34 GMT
Greetings Sharnanda, you wrote: ->I may be reading this wrong,so feel free to correct me.
Thank you for the permission {8->
->How can we say what God is not if we don't know what God is? How can we say ->how God is not if we don't know how God is?
Since you repeated the question, do you want two answers ? Hmmm, let me see, seems that I read something about that somewhere. Oh, here it is:
->We seem to follow some sort of rule that God is this almighty powerful ->energy being, one that is truth and love beyond all human conditions. We ->say in a moment of joy or peace that we experienced being one with God, and ->yet, without a God concept, we would have no words to describe that same ->experience. We may think we are not conditioned, or think we have no ->beliefs, and turn around and use words like God as a comparison to all that ->feels good. ->We can say what God is not, only from the belief we carry about what God is.
My word, seems as if you answered your question. Is that not the way it goes though, in explaining our questions we reveal that we actually had the answer all the time ? As Awakening or Truth or Reality, God is another of those words we use because we can not verbalize Awakening or Truth or Reality or God. Verbalizing what we mean by these words are Pointers at best, but not actually what we mean. The Tao that can be named is not the Tao. So the closest we can come to any Real Pointing is to Point to what these words are not in the hopes that another will See what they ARE. And only we ourself can do that, as others themselves have to do it for themselves.
->We swear to tell the truth, the whole ->truth,nothing but the truth in the name of God. How can we do that when we ->don't know the whole truth? We pledge allegiance to our country,God and the ->flag. Why do we do that?
Because it sounds good ?
->Why do we, out of some fear of the unknown, swear or vow to something that ->is a concept? Ownership is a concept. Borders between countries,states and ->provinces are all concepts. Divided we fall. Each imaginary line we draw ->separates and segregates us from just being. Each church or religion draws ->an imaginary line around their belief systems and will fight to the death ->to defend that imaginary line.
Because we know not what we do ?
->The Governments separates us by imaginary lines for better control of the ->masses and within those lines we add the lines of church and beliefs. How ->much of us is left to experience freedom? There are so many laws written by ->each that physical freedom is a concept. Spiritual freedom is a concept. We ->have the freedom to choose which beliefs we will live by, which is also ->illusion, as there is no freedom in a belief. Beliefs draw lines of ->separation around us. We join groups of similar thinkers so we are not ->alone. We fear aloneness. We find comfort in having our beliefs supported ->by more than one. We need validation for being who we are. We gain strength ->from numbers. This is most evident during elections and in religious ->crusades. We spread our infectious beliefs to the masses through fear.
For our welfare ?
->Ray always gets me going....yikes.....
Don't stop now, you're on a roll {8->
->Morning everyone,
Goooooood belated morning {8->
Subject: Re: A Ray Of Light
From: Sharlene <Sharlene@Light-Mission.org>
Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 20:13:50 -0700
>Hi EJ, you wrote: > Thank you for the permission {8->
As if you need it..ha
> Since you repeated the question, do you want two answers ?
Well, not quite: one was how and one was what. So yes, two would be great.
> My word, seems as if you answered your question. Is that not the way >it goes though, in explaining our questions we reveal that we actually had >the answer all the time ?
Yes, so it seems to be true.
> We pledge allegiance to our country,God and the >->flag. Why do we do that? > > Because it sounds good ?
That and because we appear to need that sense of belonging to something, or am faithful to something, or to prove we would die for something. Every time we send a person off to war, we want to proof that someone will give their lives for our so called freedom, when in fact, we are giving up lives for possessions,power or monetary gain somewhere down the line. As in the example of Ghandi, one does not need physical freedom to be free.
> Because we know not what we do ?
So our blindness is just another nailing of ourselves to the cross. And to lessen the load, we share it with others.
> This is most evident during elections and in religious >->crusades. We spread our infectious beliefs to the masses through fear. > > For our welfare ?
No, not quite. Though that is what "they" want us to believe. We are treated like mushrooms, kept in the dark and fed bull....And yet, if you really want to see the light, go within. As the old Sunday school song goes, "This little light of mine, I'm going to let it shine"
>->Ray always gets me going....yikes..... > > Don't stop now, you're on a roll {8->
A rolling stone gathers nothing....
>->Morning everyone, > > Goooooood belated morning {8->
Thank you, it was a marvelous day. The wind blows, the rain began, and I got allot of painting done. Well, doesn't look like lots but all the trim that will be the baseboards and window casings for the main floor, plus some doors and window sills. The grand opening is the 24th of April and there is still so much to do before the cleanup. This will be the new Osbourne House. It will be home for 8 mentally ill people that can sort of look after themselves, but not quite. They closed the Institution in Kamloops a few years ago and spread the inmates amongst various towns. They are really neat people in their ways. Totally detached from so called normal life. Sort of reminds of "One Flew Over The Coo-Coo's Nest" with Jack Nicholson. Kind of neat working for a female building contractor. She knows her stuff thats for sure. Plus, the electrician that came today was also female. The world is changing, and its great. Dare to be different.
Sure feels good to be feeling good again. Or at least to know I will be.
Love to all,
Subject: Re: A Ray Of Light
From: ejLight@Light-Mission.org (E.J.)
Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 04:17:44 GMT
Greetings Oren, you quoted: ->"We crucify ourselves between two thieves: regret for ->yesterday and fear of tomorrow." -> - fulton oursler
*Deep Bow* Thank you. My I also offer a quote:
~ Philosopher's Stone ~
2001 - Yogajyotii
Subject: An Observation
From: ejLight@Light-Mission.org (E.J.)
Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 06:56:01 GMT
Greetings Community,
A Wise Pointer: "The state of self-realization, as we call it, is not attaining something new or reaching some goal which is far away, but simply being that which you always are and which you always have been." -- Ramana Maharshi
*Deep Bow* kind Sir, what you say is most True. As many Wise Sages and Wise Teachers have also said. Yet, as others, it is rarely if at all addressed: "how do we get to there from here ?" A very wide chasm is between What-IS and What-ISNOT. With all due respect, your statement eludes to a notion that we can simply be the conditioned programmed controlled manipulated automatons we are and be Enlightened. Well, if that were so 99% of humanity would be Enlightened. There is something wrong with this picture that you paint. Oh yes, all phenomenality is Illusion, nothing is permanent, materiality is attachment and attachments are defilements, All is One, All is Love, meditate, surrender to God, go to the bathroom, eat food, join your ashram, follow your teachings. Zzzzzzzzzzzz
And why might the *how* always be left out ? The Wise Pointers get our Attention, and continued Wise Pointers keep our Attention. But so does a good movie or a good storyteller. The Wise Pointers that Wise Sages and Teachers offer, and that wann-a-bes chirp, have been with humanity for some ten thousand years when the Rishis first committed such Wise Pointers to pen in the Vedas. From that point Wise Sages and Teachers have committed Wise Pointers to pen to this very day. After ten thousand years one must wonder why there is still war and conflict and greed and selfishness and crime and all the ills of humanity that are continuously increasing. Could it be that few have figured out why we are still ignorant because few have figured out the *how* ? Could it be that few have Realized that the Wise Pointers are mistaken to indicate that "I'm Ok, You're Ok" ?
Wise Sages and Teachers can offer wise Pointers, and any Bird-Brain can chirp, and listeners can marvel at the Beauty of the Song. But in order that we can Save ourself from the collision course with Destruction that we are on, we are going to have to release the seeming secret of our conditioned programmed thinking and behavior so we can Realize the *how*. Because if we never Understand the *how* we will never get out of the Hole we are digging in. That is, we better get ourself a Ladder because Kali Yuga is not going to furnish us one.
Any comments on the subject ? And yes, I am opening the door for you too Oren {8->
Subject: spekulaion
From: "Volker Munz" <volkerm@netidea.com>
Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 23:10:42 -0700
in reality, spekulation is of no use, neither are visions of the future or dreams of the past... what is not here is simply not Here... a void to be filled by the Moment...
spekulation, however, kan exist in the past as well as the the future... spekulation is so slippery, so legless, that it can jump wherever the absence of it's legs will cause it to jump, merely for the fakt of jumping, legless or not - the frog will be a frog, irregardless of the moment's dictates... ask einstein, oppenheimer & cecil b demille about this shit... spekulation is a dream finding it's voice... it is kreation peeling itself for the voyeur that asks to see its nakedness... it's where ideas cum from, tho the ideas are ever present....
to spekulate... to dream... let me nudge li po, or basho while they are here & absent at the same time...
dare i suggest that they are Here, in the Moment so much that they are Absent at the same time... becuz the moment is so Fluid, as transient as the Sage looking for a dime when there are no dimes to be had & besides, jack, dimes are merely a koncept...
be here now, jez, but don't forget the Be: here & now are fine on their own - like furniture - or a frog without legs... but the jump & the splash that the jump makes when it his the water, these also count... they are, essentially the being of the Here & the Now... without the frog jumping, (legs or not) there will be no splash to punktuate the Moment as it passes...
which is as it is...
in my own being, however, i like a silence broken by a splash, a laugh, a ripple in the pond as the body of the frog makes its noise & then sinks to the bottom...
a konditioning, yes, but still, when the bubbles burst on the skin of the pond, it's still nice to hear the sound of air returning to it's element... the key here is to hear... to be...
which brings me back wher i started from...
the bubbles that are breaking the tranquility of the pond, those are my exhalations from my life in the illusionary world of the sleeping... they are my snores...
when u get bored, or tired, & go back to where u came from, the pond will still live it's own life, as you will live ur own life - in the moment...
me - i leave but i also stay behind to taste what happens...
is this baggage??? becuz if it is, i don't believe i want the awakening of which you speak... & one kan dream lucidly, not so???
Subject: Re: spekulaion
From: ejLight@Light-Mission.org (E.J.)
Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 14:48:34 GMT
Greetings Volker, you wrote: ->in reality, spekulation is of no use, neither are visions of the future or ->dreams of the past... what is not here is simply not Here... a void to be ->filled by the Moment...
Void is never "filled", it is the filling that we have to let go of. We are already, as it were, "full of it" so we have to Empty.
->spekulation, however, kan exist in the past as well as the the future...
That is where "speculation" does exist only, for there can be no speculation IN/AS the Present Moment as it IS What-IS AS it IS.
->without the frog jumping, (legs or not) there will be no splash to punktuate ->the Moment as it passes...
Is this not speculation ? Which you said was "of no use" ?
->in my own being, however, i like a silence broken by a splash, a laugh, a ->ripple in the pond as the body of the frog makes its noise & then sinks to ->the bottom...
There is no Silence to be broken when distraction is our Desire. Sleeping, there is no Silence for all is distraction. Awakening, all is Silence, Silence of mind, as nothing is a distraction.
->a konditioning, yes, but still, when the bubbles burst on the skin of the ->pond, it's still nice to hear the sound of air returning to it's element... ->the key here is to hear... to be...
IN/AS Silence we Hear, IN/AS Void we See, IN/AS Awakening we ARE.
->which brings me back wher i started from...
The vicious circle of Sleepvalking.
->the bubbles that are breaking the tranquility of the pond, those are my ->exhalations from my life in the illusionary world of the sleeping... they ->are my snores...
Then Wake-Up Dear Friend, your coffee is getting cold.
->when u get bored, or tired, & go back to where u came from, the pond will ->still live it's own life, as you will live ur own life - in the moment...
Life can only be Lived IN/AS/AT the Present Moment, or it is simply what we speculate life to be.
->me - i leave but i also stay behind to taste what happens...
Why not taste it AS it happens, as memory is but an shallow dream. Ah, to Live Life AS Life is Lived can be gleaned by Observing/Witnessing the new born Guru. Eyes wide with the Awesome Wonder of What-IS this very instant Present Moment. A Direct Experience well worth any trouble to *re-gain*. We had it once, but the Grand Trickster hid it from us. Now we have to uncover it again by letting go of the Grand Trickster.
->is this baggage???
The past is baggage, clinging to dearly beloved conditioned notions is baggage.
-> becuz if it is, i don't believe i want the awakening of ->which you speak...
More baggage is the conditioned notion that there is a *choice*. As long as the baggage is carried around you never have the choice to start Awakening. And we fool ourself by *thinking* that it is by choice that we cling to that baggage, for it is actually the Fear and Pain of letting it go that keeps us clinging ever so tightly to the Causes of our Suffering. We do not choose to, we are afraid not to.
-> & one kan dream lucidly, not so???
You are {8-> And as real as that Dream seems, it is just a "speculation".
Subject: Re: What??
From: ejLight@Light-Mission.org (E.J.)
Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 23:12:18 GMT
Greetings Pam, you wrote: ->What IS "spekulaion?" I just don't understand the "meaning" of this???
That is what is usually termed *broken English* of one who English is not their first or primary language. It is strange enough to understand one in this situation verbally, and then the written broken language can come out in strange spelling. So, may I offer, when speaking to or reading one who may be stumbling through the English language (which, they say, is the most difficult language to learn), I would say that a common curtesy would be to look for meaning beyond the words. There is a context, there is a meaning beyond and between words. Due to the spelling and due to his name, it appears that Volker's (Walker's) primary language is German (or some derivative). So "spekulaion" or "spekulation" = *speculation*, as "wuz" would = *was* or "wot" = *what*, and so on. My reply to Volker indicated that. Hope this Helps {8->
Gary wrote: ->There is nothing to understand Pam - just more rhetoric of the sleeping ->to avoid the effort required to wipe the sleep from one's eyes and ->awaken to what IS living and life. What IS simply IS ~ no "then" nor ->"will", nor "could" nor "should".
You are letting the filter that you see with distort that which you see. The message that you address is not in the words but rather between the words. There is seeing and there is Seeing, the Sleeping see and the Awakening See. Again, words can be confusing to the unskilled eye, so we must look at the space between the words for the Message. Our True Nature is Eternal and Infinite, all inclusive and all encompassing. There is nothing that is not True Nature. This is the Oneness AS multiple aspects, the Union AS the multiplicity.
A bit cumbersome at times conversing with those from other countries who's primary language is not English, but other than always being a worthwhile exchange it is a good test of our sense of Brotherhood. Because one may talk strange (to us) or wear strange clothes (to us) and have strange customs (to us) and may even look strange due features or color of skin (to us), but it is just Oneness AS multiple aspects, the Union AS the multiplicity. A bit judgmental before Seeing the post as an offering from another Multiplicity of the Totality, is it not ?
Yes, agreed Dear Friend, Volker indeed needs some Help. And obviously he is here at the Oasis to perhaps get some Help. Did you offer any ? And yes, he used a foul word, "shit". Is that word offensive ? Can words hurt us ? I ran across some information on this word that may interest you: ->The lineage is finally revealed. Many people are at a loss for a response ->when someone says "You don't know Jack Schitt." Now you can intellectually ->handle the situation. Jack is the only son of Awe Schitt and O. Schitt. Awe ->Schitt, the fertilizer magnate, married O. Schitt, the owner of Needeep N ->Schitt Inc. In turn, Jack Schitt married Noe Schitt and the deeply religious ->couple produced 6 children; Holie Schitt, Fulla Schitt, Giva Schitt, Bull ->Schitt and the twins; Deep Schitt and Dip Schitt. Against her parents ->objections, Deep Schitt married Dumb Schitt, a high school dropout. After ->being married 15 years, Jack and Noe Schitt divorced. Noe Schitt later ->married Ted Sherlock and because her kids were living with them she wanted ->to keep her previous name. She was then known as Noe Schitt-Sherlock. Dip ->Schitt married Loda Schitt and they produced a son with a nervous ->disposition, Chicken Schitt. Fulla Schitt and Giva Schitt were inseparable ->throughout childhood and married the Happens Brothers in a dual ceremony. ->The wedding announcement in the newspaper announced the Schitt-Happens ->wedding. The Schitt-Happens children were Dawg, Byrd, and Hoarse. Bull ->Schitt, the prodigal son left home to tour the world. He recently returned ->from Italy with his new bride Pisa Schitt. So now when someone says, "You ->don't know Jack Schitt," you can correct them.
As Namaste is to say *may the Divine Essence IN me Embrace the Divine Essence IN you as a Divine Essence of One*, so too Metta is to say *may the Loving Kindness IN me Embrace the Loving Kindness IN you as Loving Kindness of One*, so too Zikr is to say *may the Self Remembering IN me Embrace the Self Remembering IN you as a Self Remembrance of One*. So *may the True Nature IN me Embrace the True Nature IN you as a True Nature of One*. It is in the Inner Embracing of each other that we Realize that we are all cut from the same bolt of cloth yet most do not Realize it yet.
Subject: .
From: Jacquie Weller <Well333@turbonet.com>
Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 13:44:34 -0700
>"When I've faded away The kettle will still whistle And the birds still sing. I wonder if you'll recognize The sound of my voice." -- Ji Aoi Ishiz <
yes for this voice is every voice and every face and every moment anew in every moment.
and all the pronouns are heard in just one noun that turns around.
goodby dear friends, i just died again
Subject: Re: sip
From: ejLight@Light-Mission.org (E.J.)
Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 20:31:45 GMT
Greetings Jacquie, you wrote: ->:).... ->in the silence ->no commentary ->no comment ->and a sip of coffee ->still hot.
?? [_]P Think I'll join you. You too Pam, but a double dose of sugar in your's {8-> And Oren too, but a triple dose of sugar for him {8-> Crumpets yes, but no Doritos to dunk in the coffee {8-> An Oasis Beach Coffee Clutch Party.
Was wondering Jacquie... perhaps you got so light with your dieting that you floated off into the ozone or somewhere {8->
Subject: Ray is at it again
From: Sharlene <Sharlene@Light-Mission.org>
Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 07:11:22 -0700
Just a mornings babble.
Ray wrote: Yes, both Karma and Reincarnation are so.
S: One of my favorite topics. Karma is a debt owed to self -to be paid off by self-when one is ready. I have pondered this topic many times. At first the idea of karma scared the hell out of me. Thinking I must have been really bad at some point to not ever feel really happy in my life. Then at some other point I realized that it was up to me, not others, to make myself happy. I spent years blaming others for my own misery. If only........To add to this revelation, I also realized that it was not my fault others were miserable. It doesn't matter what others do or say to us, we do not have to be a victim forever, nor can we live up to others expectations,or ours, all the time. This is when we have to get comfortable with the idea of doing our best in each moment. There is no way on earth, we can make others happy all the time, without giving up something of ourselves. The old saying "What do I have to give up to be loved by you" Absolutely nothing-other than our own conditioned thought that we need to sacrifice ourselves for others. Karma is a debt, something we owe ourselves, the payment is awareness and awakening within the moment that is. Doing our best within the moment.
Judge not, lest ye be judged. Being aware of when we judge another, is a wake up call to self judgement and self awareness. We can only judge another what we recognize within ourselves. We are no different than anyone else. We may think that we would never, could never but we do have the same capabilities as the next person, we just haven't lived their lives so we are never sure of the why's or what's that lead them to a certain point of doing what they do. We are all created equally, we all have free will.
We don't have to carry the thought of karma around with us into each moment. We don't have to think about results of anything, if we do our best within each new moment. To think about each ripple in the pond for each action or word would take all day and we would do nothing else.
If we live with a lazy slob, we have helped in that creation. We have allowed ourselves do everything just so it would get done or think we can do it better than anyone else. We have taken away their rights in learning how to do for themselves. We don't need to do or sacrifice for others, we have to allow others to learn for themselves. Responsibility for self is one of the biggest gifts we can give another. No, is definitely a complete sentence.
Ray: But those who *believe* that this ever unfolding evolution/involution of manifested form is without direction or intent, that it is all a matter of happenstance, they do not Realize What-IS.
S: Nothing is by chance, nor is it divine intervention. We draw to us what we ask for. We may not be aware of what we are asking, until we reach a point of surrender, for a lack of a better word this morning. Surrendering to the moment. Giving up expectations,forethought,memories to just doing/being the best we can within each moment. We can intentionally do the best we can until we just do/be without the thought. Awareness of self comes before just being. Being aware of intent takes practise, work and being honest with self. There is no free lunch. Light bulbs go off when we have insight about ourselves. These insights can be the awareness of intent.
Ray: At this point, this branch is very conditioned to the ways of control and manipulation -- each element (person) trying to control and manipulate the other.
S: and being miserable because it is or isn't working. There is no peace in having control or being able to manipulate, nor is there peace in being controlled or manipulated. This is when we say we are between a rock and hard place or dammed if we do, dammed if we don't. Just let it go...Let others be and allow yourself to be. If you don't feel comfortable somewhere or with someone, leave....That is free will.
One of my first teachers was famous for answering a question with "you are not ready to know that" if that is the case,why did the question come at that time? When I moved, she would write letters signing them as teacher and friend, I asked her to quit thinking of herself as my teacher and start being just the friend. I never heard from her again as either. Makes me smile. C'est la vie.........
Good morning all.
Subject: Re: .
From: "Pamela J. Coupe" <star980@snet.net>
Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 17:09:28 -0500
Jacquie:
Oh wow! When I read this, a "memory" popped into my head and I had a sort of "flashback".
I was in my dad's room, talking with him (he was dying of cancer); and he said to me: "Pammy, please never forget me." Oh God, how could I ever forget the most wonderful man in the world? Yes, my dad's "kettle" is still whistling, and the birds are still singing, and the world is still going around; but I don't recognize his voice anywhere. I had one "ADC" (see: www.pam-coupe.com and click on StarAngel NDE'S and ADC's) and you will read my account of my awesome ADC with my dad (he was an Athiest, but toward the end, he promised me that "if" there was anything to "after death" he would somehow come to me, and he did).
I'm sorry for rambling on, but it was a surprise when I had that "flashback" and I wanted to share it with you.
Subject: re: sip (response to ej and all
From: Jacquie Weller <Well333@turbonet.com>
Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 16:30:36 -0700
> Was wondering Jacquie... perhaps you got so light with your dieting that you floated off into the ozone or somewhere {8-><
Well now I am 10 bls. lighter....and each time I see myself, I say I declare...I am melting :) laughing. Now Pam, I do not recall E.J. telling me to diet, don't know about what he said to you? I am just naturally changing from dropping the pounds of all those conditionings that hung on me...it happened an ounce at a time....tee hee. Now I have been exercising too....and that it really having fun...actually. I think I caught something but don't know what It is...The white rabbit gave me some melting crumbs I think...anyone see where he went to. The frog won't tell me anything.
Subject: Re: .goodby dear friends, i just died again
From: Jacquie Weller <Well333@turbonet.com>
Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 16:35:06 -0700
peas and lentils is my answer for now...but actually i do not have any answers, opinins, or speculations...only a teaspoon of smiles.
Subject: So Says Ray
From: ejLight@Light-Mission.org (E.J.)
Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 05:02:12 GMT
Greetings Community,
>From Ray Of Light: "We must hold all notions and all beliefs up to the Mirror of Truth. If the reflection is vile control and manipulation in any way, it must be discarded. If it's reflection is Pure without any conditioned notions or beliefs, we can accept it as a working compadre. For even Pure unconditioned Truth can not be held on to, but rather Directly Experienced. So even Truth and Reality and What-IS is but to Directly Experienced rather than *believe* in. Though conditioned notions or beliefs are totally mental, they work in close conjunction with emotions, which may make the conditioned notions or beliefs *appear* as though they were of the heart. There is but Compassion at the Heart, for even emotions thrive solely by the conditioned mind. Do not underestimate the power of the Grand Trickster.
"Awakening is not about exchanging one belief system for another, or converting from one to another, it is about seeing the control and manipulation in belief systems and no longer leaning on them as a crutch or false sense of security. It is about telling yourself that you do not have to believe in anything because you are going to find out for yourself. This is not to say that you oppose beliefs (though it would seem), for opposing beliefs is as much a belief as beliefs. It is about beliefs being non-existent. It is about letting them go. It is about non-recognition, rather than opposition. It is about letting go of anything that controls and manipulates your thinking and behavior.
"A belief is a belief is a belief, by any other name is still a belief.
"Indeed, in questioning our own beliefs we question the whole conditioned concept of beliefs. Though such questioning may seem attacks to those entrenched in beliefs, such questioning is but a Mirror of Truth for those who are willing to Openly and Honestly look into that Mirror of Truth. Such a reflection is painful to most and so they *react*. Those who are also in the process of Unfolding their Awakening see such a reflection as useful information as a tool if nothing else. For it is in the questioning that we Realize answers, as answers are actually quite useless. It is the questioning that is the answer."
Sounds good to me Ray. Anyone else care to comment ?
Subject: don't take everything u hear, etc
From: "Volker Munz" <volkerm@netidea.com>
Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 14:09:28 -0700
hi pam,
in the interests (as if i give a shit) of nipping the proliferation of 'disinformation' in the Bud - this one's for u; i may be a viktim of misinformation as well, but i first received this post as a george carlin thing - & george wasn't referring to columbine... who knows... & in my case, who kares where it's from - it's still kool...
lux ex tenebris,
Subject: lentils & peas
From: "Volker Munz" <volkerm@netidea.com>
Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 13:09:38 -0700
jacquie,
just kurious, are u eating the peas & lentils or are they under ur mattress?
beautiful quote from Ji Aoi Ishiz... is there more?
i need to take more of these C influence impressions to push out the A & B influences of which i have too many...
what kan one ekspekt, n'est-ce pas, when packaging TT in a paper faktory... wot is TT?
toilet tissue...
profuse thanks, volker
ps: ur sip post is exquisite... like pinning the deer to the Moment with ur HeadLights... bravo...
Subject: the insekt which i nourish with sleep
From: "Volker Munz" <volkerm@netidea.com>
Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 14:23:57 -0700
greeting, forum folk,
just a note - nothing to do with the subjekt but a subjekt nonetheless: i have always *believed* (ha) that emotions are quicker than thought... kan this be so...
& if it is zo, is there not a grave danger of becuming identified with the emotion & thereby tainting the thinking aparatus...
again: just Be & this shit doesn't enter into the equation??
i am an abecedarian, friends, so please permit me sum leeway on my shaky walk in ur direktion...
should like to get into this more rite now but have an appt @1530 & still need to do the chair transfer before heading out, etc...
konditionally urs, friends,
Subject: re: sumthing to think about
From: "Volker Munz" <volkerm@netidea.com>
Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 16:18:55 -0700
hi pamela,
i wuz referring to ur: sumthing to thimk about post, perhaps that's where the konfusion lies; u dint understand wot i wuz referring to...
here it is: (don't like to clutter up the 4em but i don't think an enclosure is permissible)... wunz again, with a different pedigree... as if i'm going to 'pinch a loaf' over the matter.
"The Paradox of Our Time" by George Carlin
The paradox of our time in history is that we have taller buildings but shorter tempers; wider freeways, but narrower viewpoints. We spend more, but have less; we buy more but enjoy less.
We have bigger houses and smaller families; more conveniences but less time; we have more degrees but less sense; more knowledge but less judgment; more experts yet more problems; more medicine but less wellness.
We drink too much, smoke too much, spend too recklessly, laugh too little, drive too fast, get too angry, stay up too late, get up too tired, read too little, watch TV too much, and pray too seldom.
We have multiplied our possessions, but reduced our values. We talk too much, love too seldom, and hate too often.
We've learned how to make a living, but not a life, we've added years to life not life to years.
We've been all the way to the moon and back, but have trouble crossing the street to meet a new neighbor. We conquered outer space but not inner space. We've done larger things, but not better things. We've cleaned up the air, but polluted the soul. We've conquered the atom, but not our prejudice. We write more, but learn less. We plan more, but accomplish less. We've learned to rush, but not to wait.
We build more computers to hold more information, to produce more copies than ever, but we communicate less and less.
These are the times of fast foods and slow digestion; big men and small character; steep profits and shallow relationships.
These are the days of two incomes but more divorce, fancier houses but broken homes.
These are days of quick trips, disposable diapers, throw-away morality, one-night stands, overweight bodies, and pills that do everything from cheer to quiet, to kill.
It is a time when there is much in the show window and nothing in the stockroom. A time when technology can bring this letter to you, and a time when you can choose either to share this insight, or to just hit delete.
Remember, spend some time with your loved ones, because they are not going to be around forever.
Remember, say a kind word to someone who looks up to you in awe, because that little person soon will grow up and leave your side.
Remember, to give a warm hug to the one next to you, because that is the only treasure you can give with your heart and it doesn't cost a cent.
Remember, to say "I love you" to your partner and your loved ones, but most of all mean it. A kiss and an embrace will mend hurt when it comes from deep inside of you.
Remember to hold hands and cherish the moment for someday that person will not be there again.
Give time to love, give time to speak, give time to share the precious thoughts in your mind.<
& by the way, pam, i kan understand why u ask wot Spekulaion is... it wuz a typo - i unintentionally dropped the el... sorry 4 the konfusion - spekulaion sounds & looks like it cud be a greek word: like caritas, peroussia, tenebris, et al...
so my apologies, pamela,
sumtimes we are awake in our sleep... as i am at times - which brings me to a question that i shud ask ray: kan we dream (as in fiddling & diddling with the imagination) - i find that to be a prerequisite to my Being... it is as necessary to me as aire & h2o - i am a fish & one aspekt of my nature is to have a bicycle at the bottom of my Bowl)...
may i address this later, pam, oran, ray, gary, sharlene, jacquie, & vinnie - it Is a major koncern & probably the stumbling block that causes me "to need assistance", etc...
thanx, ms coupe, lite out of darknesse,
Subject: Re: So Says Ray
From: "Vinny Amador" <vinny@angelreiki.nu>
Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 13:25:39 -0500
Greetings Ej and all;
The Ray Guy said: "Awakening is not about exchanging one belief system for another, or converting from one to another, it is about seeing the control and manipulation in belief systems and no longer leaning on them as a crutch or false sense of security. It is about telling yourself that you do not have to believe in anything because you are going to find out for yourself. This is not to say that you oppose beliefs (though it would seem), for opposing beliefs is as much a belief as beliefs. It is about beliefs being non-existent. It is about letting them go. It is about non-recognition, rather than opposition. It is about letting go of anything that controls and manipulates your thinking and behavior."
I think I gave up believing in beliefs for lent last year. No i gave up believing in lent last year, I don't recall now. It appears that there is little more limiting, controlling and binding than clinging tightly to beliefs.
Ray also wrote: "Indeed, in questioning our own beliefs we question the whole conditioned concept of beliefs. Though such questioning may seem attacks to those entrenched in beliefs, such questioning is but a Mirror of Truth for those who are willing to Openly and Honestly look into that Mirror of Truth. Such a reflection is painful to most and so they *react*....."
I have noticed. Such reflections are generally not well received. Particularly by those who cling to those beliefs like a life raft. Simple pointing out of how controlling some beliefs might be lead to others telling you that you are "insensitive" and "intolerant".
Take gentle care;
Subject: Re: don't take everything u hear, etc ----- Hi Johnny:
From: "Pamela J. Coupe" <star980@snet.net>
Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 18:28:55 -0500
Hi Johnny:
First of all, thank you very much for your reply, but (I know I sound pretty dumb right now), but I don't understand what you are trying to say :) Please humor me and resend your message in "layman's" terms LOL
Love and Light
Subject: Re: An Observation
From: "Vinny Amador" <vinny@angelreiki.nu>
Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 10:54:25 -0500
Hi EJ and all;
you wrote:
"A Wise Pointer: "The state of self-realization, as we call it, is not attaining something new or reaching some goal which is far away, but simply being that which you always are and which you always have been." -- Ramana Maharshi
(Laughs) Somewhere a long the line, you begin to think that there is something wrong with things, the world and notice your suffering. You begin to search for some treasure, that must be out there to alleviate this. You pick up your shovel and begin to search the world for this treasure that will set you free. When you have exhausted yourself you return home in frustration with no treasure. Finally you begin to dig at home and find that the treasure you sought you always carried with you, you just had covered it over with all the things that you had acquired. Only by digging away the beliefs and conditionings and other crud did you see that which you always were and are.
Or something like that. Anyone seen my shovel?
you aslo wrote: "And why might the *how* always be left out ? "
It seems that there is no shortage of "hows". (Big insane laughter) put "enlightenment" in your search engine. I did in one and got 26million hits. 26 millions hows, 26 million 'ways' and so few realizers. Even with "how" there must still be the work. So few are willing to do the work. It is easier to stay asleep that to get up and work.
And methods galore. I have a friend doing something called "Avatar TM" (note the trademark), where he will now be enlightened and an avatar. How fun and it is only several thousand dollars. Whatever will the poor people do?
you wrote: "Wise Sages and Teachers can offer wise Pointers, and any Bird-Brain can chirp, and listeners can marvel at the Beauty of the Song. "
Chirp, chirp, chirp, says Vinny, and that's Sri Bird Brain Vinny (or was it Avatar BirdBrain Vinny I can never keep all this stuff straight) Chirp chirp chirp, hehehehehehehe, at least it is a pretty song. :)
Have fun, be mindful;
blessings
Subject: Re: So Says Ray
From: Sharlene <Sharlene@Light-Mission.org>
Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 06:56:59 -0700
>EJ wrote that Ray wrote: >Though conditioned notions or beliefs are totally >mental, they work in close conjunction with emotions, which may make the >conditioned notions or beliefs *appear* as though they were of the heart.
Shar: The heart is given a bad name when it comes to emotions anyway. The emotional center is in the stomach area. The heart races from anxiety and this sensation seems to over power the sensations in the stomach. Stress and worry first affect the digestive system. We either over eat or don't eat at all when we are upset. We eat to fill a void within ourselves. The excess weight puts a burden on the heart. The heart has been romanticized because-can you imagine a picture of the stomach on a Valentine?
>There is but Compassion at the Heart, for even emotions thrive solely by >the conditioned mind. Do not underestimate the power of the Grand >Trickster.
S: Compassion alone is not love. Even love has been given a bad name. We become love, we do not fall in love. Love is not restricting. Love is all, everything and nothing. We do not know love if there is one thing we say we hate. Acceptance is a part of that whole. If we hate something, we are not experiencing or being love. Love and hate is struggling and suffering with and through dual thinking.
> "Awakening is not about exchanging one belief system for another, or >converting from one to another, it is about seeing the control and >manipulation in belief systems and no longer leaning on them as a crutch or >false sense of security.
Shar: Oh my goodness.......something just hit me. Let me ramble here for a bit.... When asked "what is it you want in life" - I have no answer. I sit with dumb look on my face because every thought that comes to me in searching for that answer, is not the right one. It is not complete,hollow or restricting. The closest thing to truth is I don't know. I want it all. How can I pick just one or two things and voice them, that is an unfair question. I am judged for my lack of conviction, my inability to compromise,my indecision,and my not knowing. I know what I don't want, but can't respond to what I do want. I drive others crazy because they can't place me in a box and label me something other than nuts. People feel sorry for me, I guess I do appear as a flake. Maybe thats the truth. I have been divorced for 3 years now. I have no interest in dating. I laugh at my kids, I tell them if they want me to find a man, they would have to do it for me. They said they can't, it's impossible to find one that would be compatible with me. They accept my weirdness and enjoy it. besides the fact it frees me up to visit with them at will. end of ramble.
> Sounds good to me Ray. Anyone else care to comment ?
No, not this morning thanks.
Love to all
Subject: The Feeling and Thnking Insekt <grin>
From: LaRAZZZA@aol.com Date:
Mon, 9 Apr 2001 23:27:14 EDT
wow...where are you from?
comments below:
In a message dated 4/9/01 2:34:21 PM Pacific Daylight Time, volkerm@netidea.com writes:
<< greeting, forum folk,
[me] Greetings Earthling:o)
[you] just a note - nothing to do with the subjekt but a subjekt nonetheless: i have always *believed* (ha) that emotions are quicker than thought... kan this be so...
[me] Well what do you observe within yourself? I think you are a person of thought vs. emotions or you wouldn't be asking this question <think about it>. Do you find that your emotions do not enter 'the equation' most of the time or do they influence your decisions? I think that one must identify with which side they are more inclined to BE before one can say if 'emotions' are faster than logic. If you are living in your head and not your heart...then emotions are not generated as frequently or are sort of 'dead' most of the time so NO...emotions wouldn't be faster than thought. If you are living in feeling most of the time...then YES...those feelings are 'heard' and 'felt' faster than the thought that tries to interpret them.
I think all of us are different. As an astrologer here I feel that there ARE indicators of how a mundane earthling 'reacts' or 'acts' to things. E + R = O...an event plus your response equals the outcome. If you respond unemotionally then the outcome will be one way. If you respond emotionally...it will be another way. Counselor here so I see all kinds. Some people balance the Divine Father logic with the Divine Mother feeling/emotion stuff. Balance is the key in my humble opinion.
[you] & if it is zo, is there not a grave danger of becuming identified with the emotion & thereby tainting the thinking aparatus...
[me] there ya go again....ze 'thinking apparatus' can be 'tainted' (why tainted???) with emotion. May I ask something here? Just what EXACTLY is wrong with 'emotion'? Are we not clothed in human skin? Are we not biological as well as spiritual? We were not put here to 'deny' our humanness but to embrace and merge the spiritual with the flesh into a new existence capable of bringing spirit INTO form. This IS a new manifestation here on Planet Earth. Life was meant to be lived and enjoyed and that MEANS having feelings of enjoyment sometimes as 'icky' as that is <sheesh>.
[you] again: just Be & this shit doesn't enter into the equation??
[me] Well I think you have a valid question so it's not 'shit' at ALL. We must understand things in order to accept or reject and therefore live more FULLY in the NOW...right? So I think it's good that you ask such things:o)
[you] i am an abecedarian, friends, so please permit me sum leeway on my shaky walk in ur direktion...
[me] What's an Abecedarian?
[you] should like to get into this more rite now but have an appt @1530 & still need to do the chair transfer before heading out, etc...
[me] Okeydokey...hope you had a nice day!
[you] konditionally urs, friends,
[me] Allrighty then! Unconditionally until we meet again....
[you] pee wee herman
[me] Tinkarooni (what a combo...it was in ze starz babe) tee hee
Subject: Re: don't take everything u hear, etc
From: ejLight@Light-Mission.org (E.J.)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 03:38:07 GMT
Greetings Volker, you wrote: -> i may be a viktim of misinformation as well
We are all bombarded continuously with misinformation Dear Friend, but only the Sleeping are *victims*. Awakening, misinformation is easily seen through.
->have always *believed* (ha) that emotions are quicker than thought... kan ->this be so... ->& if it is zo, is there not a grave danger of becuming identified with the ->emotion & thereby tainting the thinking aparatus...
First, *believe* nothing that you have not Directly Experienced yourself. And if you are still Sleeping, do not even believe that. Sorry, the thought comes first. You see, without the mental apparatus conjuring up a reaction there would not be a reaction. The eyes see something that the mind interprets and correlates it to a memory that was emotionally charged. Substituting the ears or any sense ability, the mechanism holds true. A mere biological electronic machine. Problem is Identifying with any aspect of the machine. The Sleeping Pill.
->which brings me to a question that i shud ask ray: kan we ->dream (as in fiddling & diddling with the imagination) - i find that to be a ->prerequisite to my Being... it is as necessary to me as aire & h2o - i am a ->fish & one aspekt of my nature is to have a bicycle at the bottom of my ->Bowl)...
May I suggest to get out of the bowl Dear Friend, and you would have no need of a bicycle. Also, get less sleep and your imagination would not flash so many pictures to the brain while sleeping.
Subject: an insekt with aerosol mandibles...
From: "Volker Munz" <volkerm@netidea.com>
Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 21:49:29 -0700
greetinks starseed
nice feral group u got here, ray... when u gonna let them go...
hey, razz, the moon in her menses or what...
& what u think is correkt; i am one of those thought versus emotion people or i wudn't ask this question... an i am thinking about it, my friend, i am very much thimking about it...
how cum u don't?
how long u bin with ray?
or an Astrologer? - break the word down, listen to the space between the words: i see logic in there sumwhere.
where am i from???
i got off the Arosa Star, liverpool shipyard, greek owner, liberian registration, halifax, 1957...
urself?
do you (i) find that your (my) emotions do not enter the equation most of the time or do they influence (my) your decisions? - unquote
sweetie, my emotions React first - perhaps we have sum kinda linguistic problemo here - did u get thru grade school? - let me finish my quote, kay: " i thimk that one must identify with which side they are more inklined to Be before one can say if *emotions* are faster than logic.." unquote...
ARE u, razz or do u merely thimk u Are... becuz to Me ur Not... pick up a lexicon & look up Be, Are, & Not... an *i* opener... as much as operant, etc, etc, etc...
as an astrologer, razz, r u beyond the terrestrial realm... & a kounsellor as well - jumpin jay, will mirakles ever cease... nevertheless, u understand balance, c'est kool...
rass, mon amie, i ain't sed there's anything wrong with emotion... all i sed wuz that emotion was faster than the thinking apparatus... u react first, & then the reaction sends whatever it sends to ur thinking centre & u make whatever u wanna make of it - but the reaction cums first... this is where You can decide on sleep & such - when you filter your reaction through your Knowing... that was my point & my question...
& jez (jose himanez) we must understand things in order to accept or rejeckt them & therefore live more Fully in the Now right??? ??? ??? ???
abecedarian is: abc darian - one learning the alphabet...
fondly, tinkarooni, & with respekt & admiration,
chimo & toto, his chihuaha
Subject: Re: an insekt with aerosol mandibles...
From: LaRAZZZA@aol.com
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 21:34:59 EDT
In a message dated 4/9/01 9:53:50 PM Pacific Daylight Time, volkerm@netidea.com writes:
<< fondly, tinkarooni, & with respekt & admiration, chimo & toto, his chihuaha >> TOTO? LOLOL! I got my answer about what you think and feel. I think it was pretty clear:o)
Good luck on your cyber adventures....
Tink
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