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Subject: Good morning
From: Sharlene <sharlene@Light-Mission.org>
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 07:48:13 -0700
Just wanted to say hi to everyone. My computer crashed awhile ago and on the borrow mode to check mail. So hence the silence as it to difficult to get any time to do much writing. I can read no problem so come on and write something. : )
Subject: Re: Good morning
From: "Wombat" <labl@zeelandnet.nl>
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 00:09:23 +0200
Dear Shar :-))) You might need to be a wee bit patient love ;-) ... Ray of Light and Lightworkers are re-charging their batteries ;-) - in short they're on a short recess. So we can do the yapping if you like :) Love to yuh Shar, good to have yuh back again!
Subject: Re: Was 10 good ideas - is now Contemplation
From: "Wombat" <labl@zeelandnet.nl>
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 14:39:18 +0200
Apologies to all for the length of this post and the fact that it is answered so late, thereby causing me to leave much material in of _yore_, for any understanding of the reply and additions here! W...
From: "E.J." <ejLight@Light-Mission.org> Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 3:40 AM Subject: Re: 10 good ideas
> Greetings Wombat, you wrote: > ->I had a quiet moment to read these last few posts.
***Hi dear E.J. I was happy to see that the persons who do all this splendid work the whole year round take time to recharge the batteries. Bravo and Brava? ;-)
Much has gone on since the last exchange of mails and the precious writings here. The world and the ideas and notions we uphold normally speaking have really been put to the test by the incident in and around the WTC - NY - USA. All the groups I read have been filled with it. Unless this observation be misunderstood....
First off, I would like to say to the American folks here, how I sympathise with you all, and that it was with deep sorrow I viewed this incident on the TV - it is shocking. Within, the heart crumbled at the atrocity. We were to see that same dreadful scene many times in the course of the days that followed and the heart still hurt badly.
It was only later, much later I discovered, through reading the pain of it in other posts too, that though the emotion was deep and felt very real inside, that at no point did I utter a curse or feel hatred for the perpetrators. I felt only the same deep sadness and sorrow for so much ignorance and lack of knowledge. I felt sadness for those who feel they need to propogate this sort of terror and who feel they need to spend, so much time, money, effort and energy to create a harm of this magnitude. I felt that all this money and energy might have been focused on doing helpful things with it. Things that would eleviate suffering instead of causing it.
>From it, I learned that apparently through the years, I have really shifted my own perceptions. There was _definitely_ a time in my life, where I would have cursed them, would have felt the urge to do harm in return, so maybe I have grown a little. I would rather have made that connection through a far minor cause but there it is. Also, it became equally apparent, that in some the layer of quiet is a layer indeed, not as a criticism, merely an observation, that when the surface is scratched and raw emotion is nearer the surface that for some it hasn't become imbibed within, isn't a true part but a small shard as of yet. uhhh - that the outward layer isn't of import, but the inner is. Gosh, I hope I am phrasing this correctly.
Continuing the answer now... > Glad you can stop by from time to time offering your Observations. > Many times we get too close to the picture so we can not see the forest due > to too many trees being in the way. We are Blinded by focussing our > Attention on the individual trees. So we go about cutting down each > individual tree, only to find out afterwards that the individual trees were > the forest. *** True indeed, I think this covers a lot of what I wrote above. More so about trees being a collective, as well as individual. Though in the deepest sense there is no individual.
> ->My own awakening goes slowly forward, sometimes slow > ->enough > ->as hardly to be noticeable at all and at other moments I am surprised at my > ->little steps forward. That is " letting go" for me. **** These latter weeks have become more apparent to me yet again.
> Yes, slow and easy and steady as it goes -- savoring each Aha. > Though Awakening is most instantaneous at each Aha, it is most gradual Aha > by Aha. The less we think of the past or the future, the closer we get to > the Present Moment. The more conditioned notions we let go, the more > continuous our Ahas. To the point when All is a Wonder happening right > before our eyes anew from Moment to Moment. Then there is not even > Awakening, but rather BEing Whatever-IS AS the ever Present -- Present only > IN/AS the Present. Pleasant. *** Pleasant? Yes, pleasant.
> ->There are moments when I sometimes have a sense of *the other person* being > ->a part of *me?* whatever that might be, as in * I * myself. These are > ->precious, but few, moments alas. When it occurs I can't quite describe the feeling, > ->it's like the heart chacra goes *boom* and it hurts, yet the other person is in place, > ->inside, for a brief moment. It's like at such moments that all is one, that > ->there is no difference, no you or me, but a communal oneness. It's like time > ->stands still for a moment.
> In a very real sense All of the physically manifested realm is One, > yet multiple aspects cut from the same bolt of cloth. We seem different > and separate on the surface, yet everything is a multiple play of forms > with not real separation other than our perception. When there is no *me* > doing *my thing* and *you* doing *your thing* but rather *we* doing what > must be done, we will start to eliminate war and conflict and Suffering of > all sorts. Yes, it is when time seems to stand still, as it is only in > the Timeless that we can Realize/Recognize an ever anew Eternal Infinite > Present Moment. And the more conditioned notions we let go, the less we > dwell on the past or the future, the more Timeless the more Eternal the > more Infinite the more Present the more continuous the Moment. **** Profectical words indeed, especially in the light of recent events dear friend! But the words/deeds are timeless and _stand_ with all the world going on around it.
> ->In meditation this is more often to occur, though that isn't a daily or even > ->monthly occurrence either, this brief moment, but being in the *now* when that happens is a > ->rare emotion indeed.
> Dwell IN/AS nothing else and there can BE nothing else. Do not > ration such, immerse IN/AS the Present each and every Moment. Though the > Rapture of BEing the Present Moment may seem an emotion, it is far from > being an emotion. It is more a state of Awe or a state of Wonder or > Amazement, BEing the very Spectacle happening/unfolding right before your > eyes. Imagine right after child birth when the doctor showed you your > first born, yes there was love and emotion but there was something more, > and it is that *something more* that is the experience IN/AS the Moment. > That state of shock and disbelief that you were part of the cause of this > Miracle you are looking at. **** I think the word, disbelief covers quite a few things for me yet :-)) - but yes sometimes when something occurs that you are truly _aware_ it's a special moment indeed!
> ->Afterwards, I need to think about it, which is as much as saying, that > ->though this happens I can't > ->wrap my head around it all in the precise moment in the *now* of that split > ->second of feeling/knowing/experiencing. BEing.
> And there might be the crux of the dilemma. Do not try to *think* > about it. Absorb and let your Natural unprojected unconditioned BEing > strain the dross from the Wisdom. The mind is based on conditioned > notions so the mind can not Help in this. When it does, it will only > defile it. ***** :-)))))))))) I think I've got it, sung Eliza ;-)) !! Of course, rationalising again AHA dear E.J. AHA:)
> ->Sometimes in the aftermath it leaves me with a deep sense of loss, like I > ->was about to > ->step over the 'border?' - (recently referred to:)- of * ? * and in that > ->very same second, I > ->lose * ? * Trying to analyse it brings me even further away, so I feel and > ->let go, is all I can > ->do and hope it happens again, sooner, more often until it becomes woven > ->within :).
> Analysing and conceptualizing and intellectualizing is mental noise, > turn it off. That is, Empty the mind. You can not really turn the mind > off, but you can Empty it of it's conditioned contents. Empty we are > Full, Still we are the workings of the whole of the Cosmos. **** yes, well I have a question for you my friend, when you turn it off and there is nothing , really nothing after a while, there is a deep *been away* after a while, I don't know where I go, but staying aware in those precise moments *turned off* - if I understand others, then it hasn't been profitable - when I think of this later, I think oh dear.... I was away but how did that *serve* others or myself. So from this follows, if you are to stay turned off and quiet within ... aside from some answers that flow in ;-) from time to time.... what do others mean by the serving bit in the quiet? big long quizzie huh???
> ->E.J. writes, it is my feeling, from a place just a bit beyond this state. > ->Though I have no > ->wish to vivisect or to endeavour to analyse, I couldn't. A place that I > ->sometimes grasp for a > ->brief moment in the *quiet* but isn't my *current* daily position.
> Why is it not your "*current* daily position" ? Is there some other > position ? Is there somewhere you can be other than where you are ? You > will never find Awakening anywhere other that where you are right NOW this > very instant Moment, and it will be at no other time. It is right here > right NOW or it is not. ***** :-))) I stand corrected dear friend ! Yes, of course it is always one's current position, wherever you are- AHA:)
> ->>From where (s)he writes, you can glance within, without undue emotion, that > ->would only sidetrack from what *IS*.
> *Deep Bow* **** :-) I have my moments, thank you, it isn't a lot that bows come my way, but then I never sought them, but thank you:)
> ->E.J. can speak perfectly well for the *self*:) -
> Most say it sounds more like babble or prattle {8-> **** But E.J. I ((((love)))) your prattling I learn much from it ! :-)
> ->what I guess I > ->am trying to say is that I think it is fine to read the offerings, without > ->necessarily needing > ->to know more about the actual person. The given words are thoughts, ideas, > ->that can hum > ->around in my head for a while leading to others. No attachment. Just > ->learning, looking within.
> Indeed, the finger is of little importance. Our Attention must be on > where the finger Points and of course on the resulting Insight gleaned. > The closer we get our eye to the finger the more the finger block, and we > could get the finger stuck right in our eye. A finger held right next to > the eye or stuck in it Causes Blindness. Which is convenient, for if we > can not See we can ask for forgiveness and someone else can save us. Did > you know that there are more confession booths in the world than banks ? > And that there are twice as many banks as rivers ? **** wait up there, more booths :-) - I don't tend these booths by virtue that I don't think that the person inside will be of help to me in this way... I would have to follow someone elses truth that I can't seem to see, nor understand in that particular form, which is not like saying that there would not be anything to learn from that. Banks we have enough, I don't really think they're a good idea but the majority of the world would disagree with that, economically speaking. I live in a Country, really tiny, that has more water than is good for it, I feel ;-) the Netherlands, the water is within and without, and it takes constant monitoring and watchfulness to either side for the Dutch people to survive :-)
> ->I guess I see this n.g. as a place where people speak their thoughts, a > ->place where I can > ->come without feeling obliged to do so ;-), where there is always something > ->uplifting going > ->on usually speaking, a place where I can learn from.
> Indeed it is. *** :-))) YUP!
> -> I have on occasion asked myself, what > ->if one of these people was a very dear friend, of mine and I *knew* that > ->person, would I > ->learn as well from them then, if I *knew* that? Or would I start to put them > ->or their words > ->into a * translated* area, maybe even in little boxes, like "oh, ...means > ->this or that! " - and from > ->the familiarness, of the person maybe lose out on the given _message_ coz > ->here you can't see > ->faces, smiles or whatever, you can *only* read the words and let them sink > ->in.
> Yes, we are conditioned to classify and codify and categorize > everyone, usually on their appearance or name or something personally about > them. So we know what someone is going to say before they open their > mouth. Though the Internet is most deceiving, which we must be on guard > for, because we can not *see* the person, there is a certain *body > language* in the written word that can be Recognized. For the Real > Message is between the words and not in the words or the fingers that type > them or the hand or arm or person doing the typing. In that respect, when > we Attune ourself to Understanding the body language of the written word, > Internet discussion groups can help us to focus our Attention on other than > *the person*. Rather to focus Attention on what is said, how it is said, > and perhaps why it was said. When you can stand face to face with another > and focus your Attention on what is said rather than what the person looks > like or where the person came from or even what background or education the > person has, we have developed True Listening. Or, looking to where the > finger Points rather that at the finger. **** Well said E.J., I underwrite this statement of yours.
> ->I hope I have conveyed a bit of my thoughts to you - sigh - so hard to do. > ->Kindest and best regards to you all- > > Indeed you have, for which much appreciation is offered from here. **** Oh good:) Kindest regards to all - Wombat
Subject: Re: Was 10 good ideas - is now Contemplation
From: ejLight@Light-Mission.org (E.J.)
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 22:37:24 GMT
Greetings Wombat, you wrote: ->Apologies to all for the length of this post and the fact that it is ->answered so late, thereby causing me to leave much material in of _yore_, ->for any understanding of the reply and additions here! ->W...
Never too late Dear Friend. In fact it was good to see you treat us with your presence.
->I was happy to see that the persons who do all this splendid work the whole ->year round take time to recharge the batteries. Bravo and Brava? ;-)
Yes, a break from the Madness is Rejuvenating {8-> One of us is back and well, it seems. But the others are still Enjoying, it is guessed.
->Much has gone on since the last exchange of mails and the precious writings ->here. The world and the ideas and notions we uphold normally speaking have ->really been put to the test by the incident in and around the WTC - NY - ->USA. All the groups I read have been filled with it. Unless this observation ->be misunderstood....
Yes, much misinformation abounds. Much conditioned reactions also. Much drivel. The Hawks and the Doves have as cause again. At the core there are dedicated people who actually are concerned and are making every effort to Help, but on the fringes of the incident all is seen is Capitalistic Greed - trying to make a buck off a Tragedy.
->First off, I would like to say to the American folks here, how I sympathise ->with you all, and that it was with deep sorrow I viewed this incident on the ->TV - it is shocking. Within, the heart crumbled at the atrocity. We were to ->see that same dreadful scene many times in the course of the days that ->followed and the heart still hurt badly.
As far as the terrorist problem and the Tragedy recently -- signs of our times. This is the Age of Kali Yuga, the Darkest of the Dark Ages. This is Sleeping life, nothing unexpected, a life of conflict and sadness and Suffering. It is saddening and Compassion goes out to all those involved, and those *reacting* to it. It would seem that this tragedy would be a good reason to start Waking-Up, IF they were not so conditioned that this sort of thing is part of life. As long as they continue in their conditioned thinking and Illusions of so called Spiritual enhancement and Divine importance, there will always be such Suffering. This should be a sign that they are doing something wrong that would breed such conflict and hate, not that someone has done something wrong against them and what they can do wrong in retaliation against the other. Another reason to get the Mission Of Light Retreat Center underway also. Another reason to start Awakening. Another reason to Stop Sleeping. They are crazy, and it will get crazier. They will give up anything even life itself for some cause whether noble or foolish, yet refuse to give up a single minor Cause of their Suffering. And no one can Save them, no one can and no one may, others can Point to the Path, but they themselves must Walk the Way.
So this was not an attack on America or even Americans, but an attack on the government that bullys it's way about not caring who it steps on, as long as they can make a profit. Yes, there is a certain Balance or Justice that is inherent in all of the Cosmos, so those responsible for this treachery and lack of concern for their fellow Brothers/Sisters should be held accountable for their actions. By the same token, everyone (governments and business as well) must be held accountable for anything said or done.
->It was only later, much later I discovered, through reading the pain of it ->in other posts too, that though the emotion was deep and felt very real ->inside, that at no point did I utter a curse or feel hatred for the ->perpetrators. I felt only the same deep sadness and sorrow for so much ->ignorance and lack of knowledge. I felt sadness for those who feel they need ->to propogate this sort of terror and who feel they need to spend, so much ->time, money, effort and energy to create a harm of this magnitude. I felt ->that all this money and energy might have been focused on doing helpful ->things with it. Things that would eleviate suffering instead of causing it.
*Deep Bow*
->From it, I learned that apparently through the years, I have really shifted ->my own perceptions. There was _definitely_ a time in my life, where I would ->have cursed them, would have felt the urge to do harm in return, so maybe I ->have grown a little. I would rather have made that connection through a far ->minor cause but there it is. Also, it became equally apparent, that in some ->the layer of quiet is a layer indeed, not as a criticism, merely an ->observation, that when the surface is scratched and raw emotion is nearer ->the surface that for some it hasn't become imbibed within, isn't a true part ->but a small shard as of yet. uhhh - that the outward layer isn't of import, ->but the inner is. Gosh, I hope I am phrasing this correctly.
Most eloquently put.
->**** Profectical words indeed, especially in the light of recent events dear ->friend! But the words/deeds are timeless and _stand_ with all the world ->going on around it.
Truth is indeed Timeless/Eternal/Infinite, yet Blindness/Deafness is a most universal malady in this Dark Age.
->**** yes, well I have a question for you my friend, when you turn it off and ->there is nothing , really nothing after a while, there is a deep *been away* ->after a while, I don't know where I go, but staying aware in those precise ->moments *turned off* - if I understand others, then it hasn't been ->profitable - when I think of this later, I think oh dear.... I was away but ->how did that *serve* others or myself. So from this follows, if you are to ->stay turned off and quiet within ... aside from some answers that flow in ->;-) from time to time.... what do others mean by the serving bit in the ->quiet? big long quizzie huh???
Turn what off ? There is nothing to turn off. In fact, letting go of the limitations of the mind, Emptying it's conditioned contents, is really letting the mind BE *ON*. Letting go of conditioned notions is not an escape, but rather a Mindfulness of Whatever-IS. When we "tune out" or "turn off" we are merely escaping from the Present. The regrets of the past and the fears of the future lend to avoiding the Present. Odd thing about Silencing the mind, we start to Hear. Stilling the BEing, we start to be Alive. When we Empty the mind of it's conditioned contents, Nothing turns out to be Truth/Reality. Silence/Stillness/Empty/Nothing is not an introversion but rather a Apperception of What-IS at the very Present Moment. A view of Whatever-IS AS it IS, without projections or attachments. Awakening is not about indwelling nor about not dwelling nor about cave dwelling, but rather about BEing Whatever-IS at the Moment that it IS. There is more to Silence than no noise, more to Stillness than no motion, more to Nothingness than the lack of something.
Subject: Re: Some thoughts
From: "Patrick Hickey" <phickey@sedona.net>
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 08:12:16 -0700
| | Peace begins in the home. how can we possibly even think about healing the | planet when we can't or won't heal ourselves, our towns, its people and our | own country when the mentality is retaliation and revenge. | | It is a sad world these days and its going to get worse. | It's easy to gather peaceful people in the name of peace. In the same way | that locks on doors only keep out honest people. Peace and love can only | begin at home. | | Just a thought, | Shar
Hello Shar and all,
War as media hype. This is something hyped up by CNN, and appeals to the retrograde right-wingers. Does this sound divisive and judgmental? Well, from a detached point-of-view, each reacts or responds according to his/her own level of consciousness. What else can we do -- at any one time?
Despite all the reactiveness and hype, there is no Germany or Japan upon which to declare war -- at this time. Or regarding terrorism, there will not be one clearly defined enemy to fight -- in the foreseeable future.
A lot of what we're hearing is rhetorical, and at least for awhile cooler heads will more than likely prevail. However, multi-national corporate interests stand to greatly benefit from the war atmosphere to roll back environmental progress, and further exploit petroleum resources (further adding to global warming). Those might very well be the interests behind the CNN/Bush "New War".
This is a great time to increase our understanding of all perspectives of those with whom we share the planet, especially our "enemies". That would be proactive, wouldn't it? These terrorists might be so woven into the fabric of the world's population, that it will never be possible to totally eradicate them through violence. Blind and ignorant belligerent reactivity may only further motivate our detractors to plan and take even more drastic measures such a germ warfare or even to parachute into a city with a hydrogen bomb in a suitcase?
Brash, simplistic, dualistic acts in CNN's "New War" breed more violence. Violence can escalate, as each side lives and dies by the sword!
These are times of great complexity! I have little doubt that simplistic, violent reactions will only bring more of what we fear upon us. This terrorist threat has been with us for a number of years now. This "New War" is posturing to cover up for fact that our safety and security is obviously no long assured.
Wouldn't it be wonderful if this was a spiritual wake-up call? A reminder of our mortality, and to lead a rich and meaningful life with relationships, self-expression, and spiritual inspiration. Yet, like Sunday church, many eulogize with ideals, but soon return to living as before.
Fear and war are not spiritually uplifting. Especially at this time, since the enemy may be living across the street, like I've already pointed out, if this is a war, it is not a war as war has ever been known before. The whole world is infiltrated by potential terrorists, who may seem as innocuous as anybody else. We had better seek to understand them and their cause, and seek constructive ways to defuse it. Change and compromise. The United States needs self-examination. Warts and all.
Like others have pointed out, "What has happened to the examples of Thoreau, Ghandi, and Martin Luther King?" CNN/Bush are acting like war-mongers promising "Victory over the terrorists".
My vision for this millennium is that it shall be one for healing and renewal for the people and the planet. The Twin Towers Terrorism is a wake-up call for us to raise our consciousness and understand the "enemies" invisibly woven into the world's fabric so that we can all change to renew our spirituality. The solar/hydrogen totally renewable energy resource will soon emerge to allow us to get off the grid, and hopefully reverse global warming. Let the healing, restoration, and renewal begin!
Peace and love,
Patrick Hickey -- Sedona, Arizona
P.S. Pardon me for rambling. "Shar made me do it!"
Subject: Re: Some thoughts
From: "Wombat" <labl@zeelandnet.nl>
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 03:56:20 +0200
Dear Shar and Patrick too, Thank you for the response! Of course we have to start within first, but that is often what gets forgotten the first. Basically everytime we point a finger at another, away from ourselves, there are 3 pointing towards ourselves. Violence is never a solution. What is to be gained from it?
Subject: Some thoughts
From: Sharlene <sharlene@Light-Mission.org>
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 06:02:34 -0700
Hi guys,
Since it's so quiet I feel like I am talking to myself. So am sending a response to a different discussion. It seems we as a list have no comments or reactions, or responses we wish to share about the latest world event. Maybe none of us watched it? ha. Just kidding. Any comments? Thanks Shar you wrote: Greetings Doc, you wrote: ->as all people in the Globe I have been shocked... My second thoght ->was the following: ->WHAT CAN I DO TO REACH PEACE?
So this was not an attack on America or even Americans, but an attack on the government that bullys it's way about not caring who it steps on, as long as they can make a profit.
Shar: It's a funny thing how so many are shocked and of course saddened by the recent events and wonder how anyone can do that to so many innocent people. In my opinion, it was a shock, no doubt about it and yet we do it to ourselves everyday and think nothing of it. Every day we hear in the news of drive by shootings, hundreds are killed by drunk drivers, we have gang wars, and drug wars. People kill their families and strangers everyday. we have people who die from malnutrition, and many others who are sick and dying from cancers that are caused by chemicals in the air, water and playground equipment paints. We have Jones towns, Jeffery Dolmers, Charles Manson's and how many others. Each and every day we see and hear about those innocents who are dying for greed and power, and yet it is not until a years total die at once, do we really hear any protest. Almost every American has a gun or two in their home, and the intent to use it. If the intent wasn't there, the gun wouldn't be either. It is not the idea that so many died but the fear that comes from the realization that no one is really safe and locking doors just doesn't cut it.
We are angry, not because so many died, but from the fear that we are not invincible. Are we forgetting the many who died in useless wars that leaders deemed so important at the time and no one can figure out why we butted in, in the first place. We are angry, not because so many died but because of the fear and embarrassment that someone else did this without a slip of the tongue and total secretracy in which it was carried off. We fear the silence. We fear the unknown. We fear death.
This is a time for reflection and the time to really question ourselves, our own innocence, our intents, and the real reason why we are so appalled by the latest events. Are we really saddened for others or are we saddened because we are afraid for ourselves?
We sit and say how dreadful an act it was, and yet so and say nothing when retaliation is spoken. we say nothing when we declare war on other innocents. are we thinking about the many innocent people that are going to die when the ground troups are sent? Those ground troops are brothers and neighbours. Those who will be attacked are also brothers and neighbours to someone else. And yet silence.
Yes, it was a shocking event, and even more shocking is the fact we now want to do it back to them. Are we any better than they are? What are we defending when it looks and sounds like revenge. And we call ourselves light workers and spiritual people.
Peace begins in the home. how can we possibly even think about healing the planet when we can't or won't heal ourselves, our towns, its people and our own country when the mentality is retaliation and revenge.
It is a sad world these days and its going to get worse. It's easy to gather peaceful people in the name of peace. In the same way that locks on doors only keep out honest people. Peace and love can only begin at home.
Just a thought, Shar
Subject: Re: Some thoughts
From: ejLight@Light-Mission.org (E.J.)
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 19:51:56 GMT
Greetings Community,
It would seem that if one wants to find out who is really behind the recent terrorist atrocities in the USA, one would ask "who benefits ?". No ?
"Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary-wise - what it is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see ?" -- Alice in Wonderland
Subject: Re: Some thoughts
From: "Wombat" <labl@zeelandnet.nl>
Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 01:16:38 +0200
Dear E.J. :-)) The older I become, the more I start to appreciate Alice ;-) Wombat
Subject: Re: Some thoughts
From: "Patrick Hickey" <phickey@sedona.net>
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 13:10:28 -0700
| Greetings Community, | | It would seem that if one wants to find out who is really behind the | recent terrorist atrocities in the USA, one would ask "who benefits ?". | No ? | | "Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it | isn't. And contrary-wise - what it is, it wouldn't be. And what it | wouldn't be, it would. You see ?" -- Alice in Wonderland |
Hi all,
Yes, that is an excellent perspective. I have given it some thought, and my conclusion is almost more than I care to think about. Former President Bush somehow left Saddam in power in Iraq. Perhaps oil remains more highly valued than human life! I can see the book this very moment.
However, I have about come to grips with it. This is happening for me much more quickly than in the years past. I feel a release of love energy coming from the heart again.
Patrick Hickey
P.S. Like all eras, the era of oil and the internal combustion engine will be winding down. The Twin Towers Terrorism may slow it down, but the fuel cell is going to emerge, regardless.
Subject: Re: Some thoughts
From: ejLight@Light-Mission.org (E.J.)
Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 02:51:09 GMT
Greetings Wombat, you wrote: ->Dear E.J. :-)) The older I become, the more I start to appreciate Alice ;-)
I stand on the 5th (while it is still there to stand on). As it might not always be there to stand on. For, you see, this foreign word you use is not in my dictionary. I am afraid that I do not know what "older" means {8->
Subject: Re: Some thoughts
From: ejLight@Light-Mission.org (E.J.)
Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 02:51:18 GMT
Greetings Patrick, you wrote: ->Hello Shar and all, ->P.S. Pardon me for rambling. "Shar made me do it!"
Good to hear from you Dear Friend. Yes, she is quite the influence on people.
-> War as media hype. This is something hyped up by CNN, and ->appeals to the retrograde right-wingers. Does this sound divisive ->and judgmental? Well, from a detached point-of-view, each reacts or ->responds according to his/her own level of consciousness. What else ->can we do -- at any one time?
*Deep Bow* Yes, government and big business are the originators of the propaganda and the media the channel. A very powerful instrument when people are ill informed or not informed. In fact that is the Key to all propaganda, ignorance. Thomas Jefferson said that a Free society is an informed society, and an ignorant society is a society of slaves. The first reaction of many to the terrorist attack was "why did they do that here". But then government and big business twisted it to an "assault on America". So, through nationalism and so called personal injustice, the mob rule marches forward.
So again the question, "why would anyone commit an act of war against a basically Peace loving people who really just want to be left alone to raise their families and work their job and try to enjoy what is called the good life ?" Americans basically do not care what is going on in other countries as long as they can be free to do their own thing. So why ? Could it be that people, mostly radicals though, around the world are getting tired of American government and American big business sticking their noses in everyone else's affairs ? Is it not a little odd to think that one can go traipsing about the globe causing many much misery and them thanking one ? It was bound to come to pass that the bull in the china shop was going to get smitten. So perhaps we should demand to be better informed about all the overt and covert activities that Americans as a people are getting involved in around the globe. Americans do not know what their government and military and big business in doing around the globe, and do not seem concerned as long as they can have the good life. It would seem that they should know more about what they are getting blamed for around the globe.
Indeed government and big business are necessary evils, but when they are not *by the people* and *for the people* they are by themselves and for themselves supported by the people. So who is to blame ? The people who did it ? Or the people to let them do it ? Or the people who told them to do it ? Or the people who supported them yet irritated them into doing it ? Or the people who did not care enough to stay up on what their representatives were doing around the world to cause anyone to do it ?
->Those might very well be the interests behind the CNN/Bush "New War".
Well..... it is actually bigger than Bush. He is just playing his part. Not a professional actor, but good enough to misguide most.
-> This is a great time to increase our understanding of all ->perspectives of those with whom we share the planet, especially our ->"enemies".
"A great time" ? Dear Friend, in case you have not been observant, just about every race and/or nationality is represented right in the USA and have been for quite some time. And guess where you are going to find your worst "enemy" ? You see, in actuality you only have one "enemy" and that is the Grand Trickster. Not only are we conditioned to be led around as robots, but we are also conditioned "to see nothing and hear nothing and say nothing".
->That would be proactive, wouldn't it? These terrorists ->might be so woven into the fabric of the world's population, that it ->will never be possible to totally eradicate them through violence. ->Blind and ignorant belligerent reactivity may only further motivate ->our detractors to plan and take even more drastic measures such a ->germ warfare or even to parachute into a city with a hydrogen bomb in ->a suitcase?
Sticks and stones will hurt our bones, but that is all. The Real terrorist is the Grand Trickster, and if you want to see some Real terrorism try cutting that dude loose. Not only are we conditioned to be led around as robots, but we are also conditioned to be UNinformed. It has been said that "the Truth will set you Free". And when you never go looking for the Truth, always accepting what the Grand Trickster feeds you, you will never be Free.
-> This "New War" is posturing to cover up for fact that our ->safety and security is obviously no long assured.
And with that Fear comes the fact that people will give up every freedom and every right when promised "safety and security". The Fear of going to Hell was not enough, more drastic measures had to be taken. Now people Fear for their "safety and security" and economic stability.
-> Wouldn't it be wonderful if this was a spiritual wake-up call?
*Roaring Laughter* This is not *The Golden Age* Dear Friend, THIS is Kali Yuga.
->A reminder of our mortality, and to lead a rich and meaningful life ->with relationships, self-expression, and spiritual inspiration. Yet, ->like Sunday church, many eulogize with ideals, but soon return to ->living as before.
Not this time. This time there is more to Fear, and therefore more to let someone else control and manipulate.
-> Fear and war are not spiritually uplifting.
They must be, as the Pope was very involved in other wars and is a mighty proponent of Fear.
->Especially at this ->time, since the enemy may be living across the street, like I've ->already pointed out, if this is a war, it is not a war as war has ->ever been known before. The whole world is infiltrated by potential ->terrorists, who may seem as innocuous as anybody else. We had better ->seek to understand them and their cause, and seek constructive ways ->to defuse it. Change and compromise. The United States needs ->self-examination. Warts and all.
The Enemy is not *out there*.
-> Like others have pointed out, "What has happened to the examples ->of Thoreau, Ghandi, and Martin Luther King?" CNN/Bush are acting ->like war-mongers promising "Victory over the terrorists".
"Thoreau, Gandhi, and Martin Luther King" are good Friends, which we should keep close. But you have to keep your enemies closer. In fact, they are {8->
-> My vision for this millennium is that it shall be one for ->healing and renewal for the people and the planet.
*Deep Bow* You most likely *believe* that the Earth's moon is made of green cheese too. And that people are steadily getting more Spiritual.
->The Twin Towers ->Terrorism is a wake-up call for us to raise our consciousness and ->understand the "enemies" invisibly woven into the world's fabric so ->that we can all change to renew our spirituality.
Should be a "wake-up call" alright, but a call to Wake-Up and see what a mess we are in. As Jefferson said, we have to demand information. Truthful information, and not the hype we are fed. But there is even more to it than enemies and information and Spirituality and war and even terrorism.
Subject: Re: Was 10 good ideas - is now Contemplation
From: "Wombat" <labl@zeelandnet.nl>
Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 01:13:53 +0200
From: "E.J." Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 12:37 AM
Subject: Re: Was 10 good ideas - is now Contemplation
Dear E.J. Ah Blessings you have returned:)! I hope the retreat has refreshed your dear little grey cells ;-)
> Never too late Dear Friend. In fact it was good to see you treat us > with your presence. *** why thank you my friend.
> Yes, a break from the Madness is Rejuvenating {8-> One of us is back > and well, it seems. But the others are still Enjoying, it is guessed. *** Yes, it would appear, I hope that is the reason they're absent.
> Yes, much misinformation abounds. **** Indeed it does.
> As far as the terrorist problem and the Tragedy recently -- signs of > our times. This is the Age of Kali Yuga, the Darkest of the Dark Ages. > This is Sleeping life, nothing unexpected, a life of conflict and sadness > and Suffering. It is saddening and Compassion goes out to all those > involved, and those *reacting* to it. It would seem that this tragedy > would be a good reason to start Waking-Up, IF they were not so conditioned > that this sort of thing is part of life. *** Indeed major wake-up call ! Now Please let some go back to sleep again - I think you understand this!
As long as they continue in > their conditioned thinking and Illusions of so called Spiritual enhancement > and Divine importance, there will always be such Suffering. This should > be a sign that they are doing something wrong that would breed such > conflict and hate, not that someone has done something wrong against them > and what they can do wrong in retaliation against the other. *** Yes, weird, how there is always some race at hand to take the brunt of things - how ignorant, have we learned so little?
> snipped... They will give up anything even life > itself for some cause whether noble or foolish, yet refuse to give up a > single minor Cause of their Suffering. And no one can Save them, no one > can and no one may, others can Point to the Path, but they themselves must > Walk the Way. *** Wish it were the yellow brick road, where you could tap the red shoes and just wake up!
snipped.... fellow Brothers/Sisters should > be held accountable for their actions. By the same token, everyone > (governments and business as well) must be held accountable for anything > said or done. *** yes, accountable but not killed.
snipped ... you are kind:)
> Truth is indeed Timeless/Eternal/Infinite, yet Blindness/Deafness is a > most universal malady in this Dark Age.
> Turn what off ? There is nothing to turn off. In fact, letting go > of the limitations of the mind, Emptying it's conditioned contents, is > really letting the mind BE *ON*. Letting go of conditioned notions is not > an escape, but rather a Mindfulness of Whatever-IS. When we "tune out" or > "turn off" we are merely escaping from the Present. The regrets of the > past and the fears of the future lend to avoiding the Present. Odd thing > about Silencing the mind, we start to Hear. Stilling the BEing, we start > to be Alive. When we Empty the mind of it's conditioned contents, Nothing > turns out to be Truth/Reality. Silence/Stillness/Empty/Nothing is not an > introversion but rather a Apperception of What-IS at the very Present > Moment. A view of Whatever-IS AS it IS, without projections or > attachments. Awakening is not about indwelling nor about not dwelling nor > about cave dwelling, but rather about BEing Whatever-IS at the Moment that > it IS. [ There is more to Silence than no noise, more to Stillness than no > motion, more to Nothingness than the lack of something.] **** dear E.J. I'm letting this bit stand here for a while so I can read and observe it again and let it sink in! Thank you. Wombat:)
Subject: Re: Was 10 good ideas - is now Contemplation
From: ejLight@Light-Mission.org (E.J.)
Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 04:30:16 GMT
Greetings Wombat, you wrote: ->Ah Blessings you have returned:)! I hope the retreat has refreshed your dear ->little grey cells ;-)
"Returned" ? I am where I have always been, for no matter where I go there I am. Why do you keep using those foreign words ? "Grey" is not in my dictionary either {8-> And the Grand Trickster is the only one who has people is a "cell".
->*** Yes, it would appear, I hope that is the reason they're absent.
"Absent" ? They can be nowhere other than where they are, for no matter where they go there they are.
->*** Indeed major wake-up call ! Now Please let some go back to sleep again - ->I think you understand this!
Problem is that they already reached over and hit the snooze button.
->*** Yes, weird,
Well..... I like you too {8->
->how there is always some race at hand to take the brunt of ->things - how ignorant, have we learned so little?
Odd coincidence, is it not ? No Dear Friend, we use the same Stick to hit ourself in the same head so learning is not in the Grand Trickster's agenda.
->*** Wish it were the yellow brick road, where you could tap the red shoes ->and just wake up!
Problem is that too many wish the same thing. A deeper problem is that they believe it.
->*** yes, accountable but not killed.
Kill for life and war for Peace, is the credo of the Grand Trickster.
->**** dear E.J. I'm letting this bit stand here for a while so I can read and ->observe it again and let it sink in! Thank you.
I would have a seat if I were you Wonderful Friend, because it is going to get a whole lot worse before it gets any better.
Subject: Re: Some thoughts
From: Sharlene <sharlene@Light-Mission.org>
Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 07:21:52 -0700
Hello there Patrick, Long time no see or hear.
thanks for the Shar made me do it< AS IF ! ha.... It was inside you all the time waiting for the moment to come forth and multiply. You always have something interesting to share within you and look forward to reading your words.
In speaking to others, I have brought up a conspiracy idea and was met with denial, fear and shock that the CIA or FBI could have had warning or was involved in the planning. It was met with words like, no way...they wouldn't do that to their own country or people. I ask, " why not"
No one likes to think that our own government secret society who is there to protect and serve, could do anything to harm us. what crap. There is no way that anyone will wake up and see what is when they live in the pink cloud of denial. This conspiracy thing may not be the truth, but it could be just as possible as not. we as people, are never informed of what is what, let alone what isn't. The secret society is just that. Secret. We have no idea or to what magnitude things are being done on a daily basis.
This should be a wake up call to everyone in the America's and yet, I don't think that is going to happen. I know one thing that happened, I haven't been able to watch Big brother 2 for two weeks. A good example of games, politics, secrets, conspiracy etc if there was one. Just watching that show gives one a glimmer of what people in society today are capable of, and through this observation, know that the government has thousands more time,money,and power to do on a much larger scale, and we as people, deny that power or the knowledge that they would commit such an act against their own people.
Trust is one word that should be taken out of the world's dictionary. Only the blind trust anything or anyone. And that is only because they don't wish to be bothered or take blame for being blind and deaf.
I think the biggest example of the blind following the blind, has been the war in Vietnam. If we didn't learn a thing during that war, we will, as people learn nothing. It appears that everyone wants to forget that war and yet, it should be remembered by all. To this day, memories of that time still linger on within myself and I wasn't even there. This was an example of pure waste of human life. A waste because so many suffered for nothing. And I say nothing, because of the way the boys were treated by their own people, their government and the rest of the world, and yet, we would do it again, or will, if the government says to.
It has only been individuals that have been ever tried for war crimes, never the defence department. The governments are far more guilty than the individuals, and we are guilty for being blind and deaf. And we are following once again in the same steps. Fighting a war that makes no sense to us as people. We are never told the truth, we are never witness to the truth. we are pawns to be played and used to fight for the capitalist way of life. Which is to make the poor poorer and the rich richer.
It can't be just for the oil. We have hundreds of untapped oil wells around the American continent that sit and wait for the ones in the east to run dry so we can be the only ones with fuel to sell, which leads to another form of control, power and greed. I get so angry I blab on and say nothing.
I think another example of what angers me is the fact that the US owes BC millions of dollars for water and hydro, and refuse to pay their bill. A deal was made back when WC Bennett was Premier of BC. It gave the states 20 years of credit and was due in the year 2000. Now they won't pay their bill and BC is to afraid to cut them off and allow the water and power to still freely be sent down there. We have no backbone, we are as a country and province afraid of your power and control as well. We fear the backlash and threats of takeover just as much as the rest of the world. So we sit in silence as our power,gas and hydro bills sky rocket while yours are so much cheaper, and its our natural resources in the first place. We as Canadians fear the Americans so allow them to come here and slowly take over our country as well. The silent war. The not so slow takeover. It is like a creeping fungus, quietly growing and covering the country with American big business. Introducing Tariffs and trade agreements that benefit only one side of the coin. Not ours. And you know what? It isn't done with the publics knowledge or consent. We are sheep allowing whatever, whoever, to do just what they want. when our politicians retire they retire in the States, in places like California, Florida and other warm places. And why shouldn't they, its been some kind of trade off for years of insider trading and insider information and wheeling and dealing in the dark.
We , as Canadians know in our hearts that we are another state of the US already. Only at this time, we don't get a star on the flag. We are your pawns. When you go to war, we go to war, because we are afraid not too.The States run the world and we allow it. So why are we so surprised when someone turns around and does payback. When some, few, take their pent up anger and frustration and finally blow up, quite literally. The anger builds within each and everyone when they finally realize that there is no freedom. We fight for freedom and yet, none exists. So we fight for the illusion of freedom.
and I better shut up......get dressed and go picking.
Subject: Re: Some thoughts
From: ejLight@Light-Mission.org (E.J.)
Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 19:49:02 GMT
Greetings Sharnanda, you wrote: ->In speaking to others, I have brought up a conspiracy idea and was met with ->denial, fear and shock that the CIA or FBI could have had warning or was ->involved in the planning. It was met with words like, no way...they ->wouldn't do that to their own country or people. I ask, " why not"
The whole post was wonderful, but I just wanted to comment on this paragraph. Yes, it is shocking and revolting to thing that our own government and/or big business would literally slaughter (murder) thousands of their own people, the people who voted that government in and the people who work at and support the big business. Gold has always been worth more than life (someone else's life) to government and/or big business. That should not be shocking, we see it every day. What would be shocking is if they ever admitted it. And of course they always blame some other shmo. This latest tragedy in New York / Washington is just a repeat of history.
As Alice Pointed out, nothing is what it seems. That is why I harp on gathering Information. We have to gather information, and get informed. Somewhere between the extreme right hawks and the extreme left doves is the Truth, and it will never be seen if we are not looking for it. And it will not be seen if we continue to look for it with conditioned rose colored glasses.
By the way, it is always good/useful/helpful to consider the views of those in other countries. So thank you for that. I would only add that there are Greater Powers on Earth than the USA. The USA seems to be the *Boss About Town*, but even the Bosses have Bosses.
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