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Subject: Re: Let There BE *A Ray Of Light*
From: Sharlene <sharlene@Light-Mission.org>
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 07:04:50 -0800
Good morning everyone: Just took a moment to pop in and welcome a couple of new members. Maybe they will introduce themselves, and maybe not. Either way, we welcome you.
>Ray wrote: We make them in our image, do we not ? We condition them while >->still in the womb -- they sense and hear and feel our defilements, and when >->they are born that which they sensed and heard and felt is simply verified >->and reinforced.
Shar: This makes me chuckle. As most of you know, I just got a new grand daughter a couple weeks ago and she is doing great. Her name is Ciara, (see-air-a) She is a Scorpio indeed. So is her Mother. One can already tell she has her own mind and if she isn't pleased, she lets you know. She likes her bath to the point of just lying there with her eyes closed in some sort of mediative state. Take her out and she screams, put her back in and she shuts up. Now if that isn't a scorpio, what is? She is a beauty. I have a feeling she will be hard to condition to anyones way of thinking, just like her Mom.
> The other part of it is to make sure that they do >->not turn out as conditioned controlled manipulated automatons as we have. >->It is a real Pain getting rid of our conditioned nonsense, so it is our >->responsibility to Help them so they will not have to go through this >->*letting go* Pain and struggle.
Shar: We can only do our best,since we can't tell them what to do, we can only be examples.
> Anyone like to add something ?
Hmmm, nothing comes to mind in this moment.
Love to all
Subject: Re: Let There BE *A Ray Of Light*
From: ejLight@Light-Mission.org (E.J.)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 07:12:55 GMT
Greetings Ray, you wrote: -> Questioning is good, especially your own notions of this and that. ->For indeed we must melt away so that we can BE whatever IS, whatever we ->ARE. But do not look for answers, continue to look for questions. BE ->the answers. True, the bottom line is that there is nothing great about ->Sleeping or Awakening. Things are just Clearer when Awakening. Well, ->simpler too. And less Painful, and more Awesome, and more comfortable, ->and less conflict, and more Peace, and less worry, and more ->Love/Compassion, and less control, and less manipulation, and less ->Illusions, and less games, and less Suffering, and so on and so on....... ->But nothing great. Just Awakening being Awakening doing what Awakening ->does. Quite natural, so what could be so great about natural ? The ->Great part is Waking-Up, as a new born taking the first step, "awkward and ->lost" and always having to maintain a certain Balance to keep Walking. ->And it is through sheer determination that we do eventually Walk the Walk ->and start to Run. Through sheer determination that we do eventually See ->the Path and Walk the Way. The little Guru has indeed shown us the Way ->again. -> -> We must die each Moment so that we can embrace each Moment anew. ->What dies is the past so the present Moment can be Lived AS it IS. Each ->Moment who we were dies so that we can BE who we ARE NOW. Indeed, it will ->happen each Moment. When the self is not, the Moment IS. We may need ->more than one dumpster, because if after one dumpster full is taken away ->and we are left will "nothingness of self" and we are not rendered ->speechless with the awe and Wonder of What-IS then we are harboring some ->more "junk". -> -> What you generally see is not True Nature but rather the nature of the ->results of conditioning in their environment (parents, family, friends, ->influences from most anywhere). A sad commentary on the state of ->humanity, for obviously the proof of conditioning is in the pudding (so to ->speak). We make them in our image, do we not ? We condition them while ->still in the womb -- they sense and hear and feel our defilements, and when ->they are born that which they sensed and heard and felt is simply verified ->and reinforced. -> -> The sad fact is that humanity thinks that the responsibility of ->birthing ends with providing food and shelter and 'things' and some tender ->loving care. We do for them as we have been done for. That is only part ->of the responsibility. The other part of it is to make sure that they do ->not turn out as conditioned controlled manipulated automatons as we have. ->It is a real Pain getting rid of our conditioned nonsense, so it is our ->responsibility to Help them so they will not have to go through this ->*letting go* Pain and struggle.
*Deep Bow* Ray. Anyone like to add something ?
Subject: An Observation
From: ejLight@Light-Mission.org (E.J.)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 00:10:06 GMT
Greetings Silent Community,
Life is both Easy and Hard Mindfulness is the Key You have to take the Work along with Fun you see, There are Peaks and Shallows in the Cosmic Dance So you have to be Mindful if you hope to Advance.
You have no need of Folly can't repress your flaws Because conditioned thinking is Suffering's Cause, Embrace your Sadness and find out all you can You have to know yourself to know why you Ran.
Ever further is the mile that we continuously Walk And it never gets shortened by the Talk we Talk, You are IN the world so Focus a Watchful Eye A world you don't have to be OF just know Why.
The Wisest Teacher is standing right in front of you As a look in the Mirror Observing what said and do, Why do you look everywhere except where you are Because the one you Truly Seek is not all that far.
A Wisest of Moments is the Moment Wisely Spent So do not while away your Life in a habitual bent, No matter how many times you Stumble that's okay For the past is for naught it's what you do Today.
You may have a great Fall but you will not Break And all the conceptualizations is just being Fake, Do not complicate the Issue it's not worth the Toil For it's all quite Simple all else will only add to Foil.
When clinging to conditioned notions you're Stuck And the Forces of your Intellect will be no Luck, You can not Cut the Chains that Block your Way As you harbor those Defilements and let them Stay.
What do y'all think ?
Subject: Re: whispering into my lapels
From: ejLight@Light-Mission.org (E.J.)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 03:19:29 GMT
Greetings Volker, you wrote: ->might i, casting a glance in the direktion of jakob boehme, suggest that the ->reasoning intellekt has nothing to do with originating perceptions...
Which came first, the turkey or the egg ? With a slight tweak by the Grand Trickster, it would seem that the intellect is the filter by which perception is established. Is the intellect other than the conditioned contents of the mind ? Without the contents would there be intellect ? Or perception ? When the egg hatches do we get a turkey or another egg ?
->the reasoning intellekt is used for the purpose of bringing the ideas ->received from the klear perception of truth into a requisite form...
The intellect converts incoming data contingent upon the conditioned contents establishing intellect to a seemingly usable perception, far afield of Clarity and/or Truth. For perception is one's own notions projected into/onto the incoming data that the intellect converts as a false security. What you see is what you get, but is not What-IS.
->& as the mind is then in a higher than normal kondition, it often happens ->that on returning to the lower state it does not understand, & perhaps ->not even re-member the ideas which it expressed during that time...
The higher is the lower as the lower is the higher, and both are the Highways to Hell. In such dissection/separation you fragment further a perceived understanding rendering it as a collage of conditioned ideas and images and meanings. Nothing there to Remember as both are but Illusions, Escapes from Truth/Reality. You can avoid the Pain, but you miss the Dance.
->i wonder if this is an inadequacy of language ->betwixt the klear perception of truth & it's reception ->in the 'reasoning intellekt...
More like faulty, as there is no language in either Truth or the Apperception of it. As Truth can not be perceived, clearly or otherwise. The Key in Truly Realizing/Recognizing Truth is in Apperception and not in perception at all, as perception is the handiwork of the Grand Trickster that most try to Hide by calling it clear perception or intellect or reason. The Dance seems to be a steep Price to Pay just to avoid the Pain.
->or merely a lassitude of the heart on the part ->of the 'reasoning intellekt' in favour of the status quo...
Sleeping, the only thing the heart does is pump blood through the form. Awakening, on the other hand, there is a tiny chamber in this pumping organ that seems to be of no purpose medically yet Resonates with the Energy of that Chakra when Enlivened.
->there are dream katchers at every window & on every lash of ur i's... ->our soles are shrink-wrapped - what touches me, i touch in return... ->between the skin of us we hold up the whole damn house...
Too many use the Dream-Catcher to snare the Dream and Hold it as their very own, as the Net in fishing. Yet the Dream-Catcher, like the Mirror of Truth, is to Expose our Dreams and See them as the Defilements they actually are so as to Let Them Go. Sleeping we are Numb to even Pointers. Awakening there is naught to Touch when there is no one to Do any Touching. But then. some are said to be touched.
->before touching feets ->under the sheets
Longfellows no doubt, as there is Poetry afoot {8->
->whyn't i say goodbye before leaving...
Is there really a goodbye ? Is there really a leaving ?
Subject: Re: ray
From: Sharlene <sharlene@Light-Mission.org>
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 06:21:35 -0800
Watching television is a good example of being focussed AS the present Moment. Another good example is watching a toddler. We are awed at the actions and reactions and responses of the toddler to the point that our full attention is fixed on the toddle. At those points, total full 101 % attention fixed singularly we are AS the Moment. So it is in the automatic habitual arising thoughts of past and future that draw us out of the Moment. In fact, watch the toddle for it's total full attention is fixed on whatever is happening that very instant Moment. The toddler is AS the Moment. May I offer AGAIN that such little Gurus are most Wonderful Wise Teachers.
Shar: good morning all. This was fitting this morning as it is fitting for every morning,afternoon and evening lately. Who can watch television these days?? Or at least hear it? The days are filled with laundry, diapers, and packing baby. My daughter ended up with an infection in her uterus and spiked a temp of 104 so it was off to the emergency room until 4 am a couple days ago. Then it was off to the lab for a round of tests, in which we are still waiting the results. So life has been busy for everyone. We don't have time for the past, or future and wonder where the present moments go when the day is done.That is, if the day is done, there has been no line between the two. One sleeps when one can. I hardly get time to read email, let alone write one. I give thanks to understanding friends that keep in touch without expecting a reply to much right now.
Just wanted to pop in and say hello. If anyone is home..........do I hear an echo in the empty halls?
Subject: Re: ray
From: ejLight@Light-Mission.org (E.J.)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 15:56:32 GMT
Greetings Sharlene, you wrote: ->The days are filled with laundry, diapers, and packing baby.
*Roaring Laughter* Yes, that too, the flip side of Observing the little Guru is keeping up with it. That too keeps one Focused AS the Present Moment. We most often fail to stop and Realize that this is the very state we try to attain with hours of practice and meditation. When all the time the underlining factor is to let go of everything you think you know and respond spontaneously to what needs to be done as it needs to be done at the Present Moment it needs to be done. When you chop wood, chop wood, when you fetch water, fetch water..... and leave the DayDreaming to the Grand Trickster.
->Just wanted to pop in and say hello. If anyone is home..........do I hear ->an echo in the empty halls?
Thank you for that, squashing thoughts that perhaps the Great Mushroom had claimed yet another. Yes, it seems that everyone in the Community has trouble talking. Just because it has been said not be waste bandwidth does not mean not to use it {8-> But.....
Though the present upheaval in the world is claiming much attention to keep up with, we must not lose sight of Work on ourself. Work on letting go of conditioned notions that lend to such world upheaval. We can not Save the world, yet we can Save ourself rendering the world a better place. Why ? So we all can more easily Work on ourself, Work on our Salvation as it were. Why ? Look around at all the hatred and conflict and greed and Suffering..... why not ?
Only Family reside here at this Community, so speak up. We are all among Friends, wether it is Realized or not.
BE Well and Mindful Wonderful Friends, Shanti, Namaste, Metta, Zikr --
As Namaste is to say *may the Divine Essence AS me Embrace the Divine Essence AS you as a Divine Essence of One*, so too Metta is to say *may the Loving Kindness AS me Embrace the Loving Kindness AS you as a Loving Kindness of One*, so too Zikr is to say *may the Self-Remembering AS me Embrace the Self-Remembering AS you as a Self-Remembrance of One*. So *may the True Nature AS me Embrace the True Nature AS you as a True Nature of One*.
It is in the Inner Embracing of each other that we Realize that we are all cut from the same bolt of cloth, yet most do not Realize it YET.
Subject: Re: conflict.
From: ejLight@Light-Mission.org (E.J.)
Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 05:45:36 GMT
Greetings Silent Community,
It has been asked: ->The capacity of the mind to create images and imaginations is great. Who ->creates these notions ? The Grand trickster. This Grand trickster is a part ->of our mind. The same mind is compelling us towards awakening and ->sprituality. What regulates shifting of lower mind to higher mind and vice ->versa. My querry is whether we will have to reconcile with this conflict.
Ah, indeed, the mind is a most awesome instrument. Without it we would be at a loss to start Awakening and Help others in their Awakening, and yet it can be our greatest adversary. The mind is the mind, being the mind doing what the mind does. Nothing wrong with the mind. And it has taken us hundreds of thousands of years to Evolve/Involve such an awesome Instrument. So obviously we are to put it to use. For you see, the mind is our Operating System Processor thus processes all the data that is inputted by the senses. Something like the RAM on your computer. So it does what it is naturally Evolved/Involved to do, process information. Nothing wrong with processing information. Problem is that people do not Understand the mind and so keeps storing inputted data to the point that it clutters the Processor. Something like what you do with data on the HardDrive of your computer. So every time we are confronted with any situation, perhaps even inputting more data from the senses, the Processor has to go through all the previous data to make sure there are no contradicting information that would cause disruption in the system operations. Something like opening a program on your computer. But with all the stored data there is going to be all sorts of conflicting data thus causing confusion and perhaps avoidance (or breakdown in extreme cases). Something like when your computer freezes up or crashes. Keeping the Processor organized (defragmenting) helps but still there will always be freeze ups and crashes. So what to do ? Delete the junk that makes your computer freeze up or crash.
That is, Empty the mind of all the conditionings/programs so that the mind only addresses incoming information AS it IS and not filtered through the contents that we harbor. I refer to the conditioned/programmed mind as The Grand Trickster, for indeed with all those harbored ideas and images and meanings and thus beliefs we Trick ourself into *thinking* something is other than what it IS. *Thinking* something is Truth/Reality when it is not. This is the Great Illusion. Our conditioned habitual knowledge base is not part of the mind, as the mind is just a Processor. The conditioned knowledge is the input that we cling to rather than addressing it at the time of inputting and let it go. The input that I speak of comes from lies and misinformation, though perhaps unbeknownst to the initiator of the input by family and friends and society at large. Setting aside the lies and misinformation by those of greed and corruption for the purpose of control/manipulation, most just want everyone to be like everyone else.
As already stated, the mind is just the Processor of information thus has nothing to do with the Urge toward Awakening. That Urge is the direct result of one's state of Evolution/Involution. Though most of humanity is at this point at Present, when the form has Evolved to a point that it can sustain the vibration of it's True Nature AND Consciously Involved enough to Understand and thus BE it's True Nature THEN there is this Sense that something is wrong and the Urge to find out what it is. What is wrong is that the stored information is causing conflict with the Evolved/Involved Recognition of one's True Nature. This sets up a confusion and a grasping for some Savior. And even though clinging to belief systems for Salvation never satisfies this Urge, we do not know what else to do hoping that eventually we will locate our Real Savior. Most just cling to the conditioned notions because it is easier, some go on a Quest Seeking that Savior. In so doing, they usually start dropping a few conditioned notions but still cling to most. The successful Seeker drops them all, even the Seeking and the Quest. It is called Silencing the mind, or Emptying the mind, thus Stilling the BEing. BE Still, just BE. For THEN one IS the ever anew Eternal Infinite Present Moment. THAT is Awakening.
Thus, there is no demarcation between the so called lower mind and higher mind so there is no regulating some imagined travel between the two. This is the Rationalization of Dualists because they can not fathom Mind. There can BE only One. When the Two are made One, there is nothing not Understood. Likewise, when the One is made Two there is nothing Truly Understood.
->Where does this conflict ends.
Upon Awakening. THEN even the seeming conflict of Awakening/Sleeping or Clarity/Confusion or Purity/Conditioned or Silence/Noise or Stillness/Clutter and so on is Understood and thus not a conflict.
Anything else that should be added ?
Subject: Re: conflict.
From: o.dodge@att.net
Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 09:06:15 +0000
Hi EJ,
"Any thoughts to add"? - just this...
The state referred to as "sleeping" is actually nothing more than a case of mistaken identity...a miscalculation if you will. Somewhere in that span between infancy and adulthood, we erroneously begin to "think" that we are that very thing (the mind) we "think" with - and we adopt the faulty psycho-algebraic notion that:
You = Mind
And that is "the mother of ALL miscalculation!"
That thing you call "you" is nothing more than a contrivance - a fabrication - of one's mind. A fictional character that we (the mind) not only CREATE - but then PUT IN CHARGE! Is it any wonder that we keep crashing into each other's personae - because there's nobody at the wheel! Imagine...seven billion buses speeding down the interstate of life - and NO DRIVERS!!! Ouch! <g>
When the realization is made that the above is true - when we finally realize that:
You = Illusion
We also conclude that:
Mind = Illusion
Or:
You = Mind = Illusion = You = Nothing
And Poof! - thoughts become merely that - "thoughts" - and nothing more! When the world is FINALLY viewed without a "you" for the point of reference - bingo!
Any comments?
oren
Subject: Re: Greetings
From: ejLight@Light-Mission.org (E.J.)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 20:56:53 GMT
Greetings Terri, you wrote: ->There is something I would like to ask the list conserning the violence that ->surrounds us and that is how are sensitive people able to protect themselves ->from the the pain and general bad sensations that rub off on us from contact ->with those who carry this negativity around with them as if they wear it ->like an overcoat? Must admit that i for one am not good at protecting ->myself and therefore tend to avoid much contact with people. I practice ->various breathing and visualisation exercises but cannot keep it going at ->those times when it is most needed.
Yes, taking a deep breath and carrying on in times of stress is a good "practice". Yet, fundamentally there is much more that we can do. We could very well use that negativity that we find all around us as positive Force to Openly and Honestly look at our reactions to that negativity. A Self-Observation. What within ourself would Cause us to react thus ? And also to Cause us to Seek protection ? We do not try to put out a Fire by smothering it with petrol, nor by Running from it. We put out a Fire by Understanding the Cause of the Fire and eliminating the Cause thus eliminating the Fire, or by eliminating what Feeds the Fire. Yes ?
Perhaps to "know thyself" would reveal our needed Protection.
Subject: Re: dealing with negativity
From: ejLight@Light-Mission.org (E.J.)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 04:38:23 GMT
Greetings Terri, you wrote: ->As sensitive people with a perception of the interconectedness of all life ->and of a source of energy that can be chanelled through ones being for the ->purpose of positively charging the collective life of this beautiful planet ->of ours and the beings it supports we may have an equal perception of the ->negative and hurtful influences.
Would not Saving Mother Nature be but a band-aid at best, in that it is we who need the Saving ? Rest assured that Mother Nature will Save Herself, She always has. Likewise, taking note from such an Awesome Guru, WE must also Save ourself. And oddly enough, by Saving ourself we are indirectly Helping to Save Mother Nature. For are we not the very Cause of Mother Nature's needed Saving ?
-> It stands to reason that sensitivity to one ->means sensitivity to the other - unfortunately.
Yet, we must not address one in leu of the other. Which humanity is most guilty of. It is offered that addressing both AS One would be more beneficial, it would seem.
->Wouldn't it be nice if we ->could do our 'light bringing' all the time from some suitably aesthetically ->pleasing environment instead of trying to do it in the crowded check-out que ->at the supermarket next to someone oozing a thick, sticky miasma of anger, ->resentment, selfishness and greed.
Utopia, Heaven on Earth as it were, is indeed within humanity's grasp. Yet it will not come to pass in Dreaming it. In fact, escaping to the future as well as escaping to the past only aids in preventing such from coming to pass for it can only come to pass this ever anew Eternal Infinite Present Moment -- where the future and past are not.
-> Contact with this stuff is painful!
But IS Sleeping life, thus not to be fueled or ran from but rather Embraced and Lived AS it IS.
->And ->its VERY HARD WORK getting it to dissolve in ones light when one is in pain. ->We don't give up trying though for all that.
"Dissolve" ? "Work" ? Pick up a more up-to-date instruction manual, as there is nothing that can be dissolved but rather can only be *Corrected*. Do we dissolve Darkness with Light ? Is not Darkness the absence of Light ? Thus the introduction of Light is simply the Correcting of the absence of Light. So it would seem that Darkness is simply a projection rather than a state or condition in itself. A projection by the very projected perception of it. So the Work is in Correcting the perception and thus the projection.
->All of this negativity is born of fear and any one who has ever felt fear ->and pain in their lives must surely have a reaction to the fear in others ->even it is disguised as something else.
A sympathy or empathy, perhaps, but reaction is little more than conditioned projected perception. "Fear" indeed, but Fear of Correction. "Negativity" is AS it IS and holds no inherent Power of it's own other than the Power that we give it. We do not put out a Fire by adding Fuel to it. So indeed if "negativity is born of fear" we can put out the Fire by *Responding* with Sympathy/Empathy/Compassion and not by Fueling it by a *reaction* of conditioned projected perception.
->What is selfishness if not ->self-preservation gone into overdrive and self preservation is a good thing ->surely, evolution thrives on it.
To preserve the self is to destroy the Self, as to preserve the Self is to destroy the self. Thus is the fallacy of so called "self-preservation". For what is self-preservation other than preserving the conditioned ego personality perception to project ? None other than third world or extremely disadvantaged in battles of survival have to even consider physical preservation. So the so called self-preservation is not of the form but rather of conditioned attributes projected into/onto the form. A spade is actually a spade and not really a shovel.
->Further more it is sad that modern society entertains itself with the stuff ->of its nightmares,thinking here about the film industry.
One man's Poison is another's Elixir, thus conditioned projected perception. Perhaps the world can be Saved..... one person at a time, starting with Saving ourself.
Yes, No, Otherwise ?
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