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Subject: the life of brian
From: "Volker Munz" <volkerm@netidea.com>
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 21:39:55 -0800
thank you for your friendship, kindness & patience with me, fellow Oh-A-Sians...
i write this from the unsteady sway of a Rope Walking Aire-Realist - feeling & toeing his Way betwixt what he 'Is', what he took his 'Self' to be, & what he is 'Be-coming'...
now & then 'eye' look down at the ground & see 'faith-ess' turn up like the freshly minted 'koines' of a 4 year 'aulde' that's already sniffing the 'aether'... the 'i's' of the animal, smoldering thru leaves, the crosswalk guard & the kat on my lap, arching it's back to the memory 'preening' it's Self in the 'mirror...
in 'stead' it is the boy with the brand 'knew' bike, on his birth day, cycling down the rale-road track from here to Tuskaloosa... at the krossing of Hastings & Main, where the rales part for the switching yard, - the back tire of the bike gets kaught in the parting..
the bike is knew, a present - i have to kling to what means most to me - the bike is from mom & dad - the Trane is from the Big World -
these 'i's' & this heart are my own...
- in memory of brian hall -
Subject: ur doubling now instead of triplicating
From: "Volker Munz" <volkerm@netidea.com>
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 18:53:00 -0800
jest a note, ray,
ur post kame thru twice..
"the Tao gives birth to the One; the One gives birth to the Two; the Two gives birth to the Three; the Three gives birth to all things..."
in betwixt this turmoil, howse about a little nietzsche:
my formula for greatness in a human being is 'amor fati': that one wants nothing to be other than it is, not in the future, not in the past, not in all eternity... not merely to endure that which happens of neccessity, still less to dissemble - all idealism is untruthfulness in the face (faith) of neccessity - but to 'love it'...
merci mes amis, ernesto liquido
Subject: ur doubling now instead of triplicating
From: ejLight@light-mission.org (E.J.)
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 03:50:48 GMT
Greetings Volker, you wrote: ->ur post kame thru twice..
Twice as good, no ? Had a problem with the computer and did not think the message went through, so after restarting the computer the message was sent a second time {8->
->"the Tao gives birth to the One; -> the One gives birth to the Two; -> the Two gives birth to the Three; -> the Three gives birth to all things..."
Yet the Tao IS, thus One, thus Two, thus Three, thus All things, thus no-things. As the Tao that is named is not the Tao.
->in betwixt this turmoil, howse about a little nietzsche:
There is no turmoil AS Tao. Thus turmoil is only AS conditioned perception, for there is only Apperception AS Tao. Thus in the *I* of the Beholder. No ?
->my formula for greatness in a human being is 'amor fati': that one wants ->nothing to be other than it is, not in the future, not in the past, not in ->all eternity... not merely to endure that which happens of neccessity, ->still less to dissemble - all idealism is untruthfulness in the face (faith) ->of neccessity - but to 'love it'...
There is no formula to the ever anew Eternal Infinite Present Moment, thus What-IS simple IS and without Desire/Past/Future. The only seeming necessity is BEing, thus Love, thus BEing IS Love. The only untruthfulness is of the Grand Trickster, thus Perfection is not in the Game Plan. Yet All is quite Ideal and Perfect, when and only when we ARE that Idealism and Perfection that All IS. Do not get What-IS confused with What-ISNOT, as the Grand Trickster would have us *believe*. The Jump is as much the Frog as the Frog is, thus without the Frog would there be a Jump ?
Subject: the life of brian
From: ejLight@light-mission.org (E.J.)
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 20:53:28 GMT
Greetings Volker, you wrote: ->thank you for your friendship, kindness & patience with me, fellow ->Oh-A-Sians...
There is no other activity here Dear Friend. Off the wall, on the wall, or even under the wall, All are Welcome to drop off their Baggage and Walk a spell.
->i write this from the unsteady sway of a Rope Walking Aire-Realist - feeling ->& toeing his Way betwixt what he 'Is', what he took his 'Self' to be, & what ->he is 'Be-coming'...
Ah, yes, "To BE or Not To BE" or perhaps will BE, is a most perplexing query. Yet in the very questioning lies the answer. The total unsurety of our state of BEing is the clue that we must trudge on forward. In such doubt is our strength to forge the very Path we must BE. To Jump or not to Jump, to Let Go or not to Let Go, is the torture that the Grand Trickster dangles us by. You have nothing to Fear but Fear itself, and thus our greatest Enemy is ourself. If we did not stand in our own way, we would have nothing in our way.
->now & then 'eye' look down at the ground & see 'faith-ess' turn up like the ->freshly minted 'koines' of a 4 year 'aulde' that's already sniffing the ->'aether'... the 'i's' of the animal, smoldering thru leaves, the crosswalk ->guard & the kat on my lap, arching it's back to the memory 'preening' it's ->Self in the 'mirror...
The seeming Fall is but an Illusion, for there is nowhere other than where you ARE.
->in 'stead' it is the boy with the brand 'knew' bike, on his birth day, ->cycling down the rale-road track from here to Tuskaloosa... at the krossing ->of Hastings & Main, where the rales part for the switching yard, - the back ->tire of the bike gets kaught in the parting..
To lose yourself, you find yourSelf. Thus no-thing is worthy of even our attention let alone our attachment to it. Freedom is just another word for nothing left to let go.
->the bike is knew, a present - ->i have to kling to what means most to me - ->the bike is from mom & dad - ->the Trane is from the Big World -
"As a man thinketh, so is he". Who is there is cling ?
->these 'i's' & this heart are my own...
Who is to possess ? We are but vagrant Travelers here, and will be able to take nothing with us when we leave.
Subject: ltriplikating the fourth
From: "Volker Munz" <volkerm@netidea.com>
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 23:37:58 -0800
greetings ray monde,
de-finitively twize as good
& jez, twice is nicer than once tho sumtimes thrice is even nicer - depending on various vari-Ables... (8->)
sumtimes sending the message a hundred times is not enuff... each shell has it's own degree of hardness... the kaiser wilhelm hat is not only for biking & tooling thru the bends & the grooves of the road... sumtimes it is merely to protekt the yolk that separates the apparent world from the real...
knot that this is my kase, ray - i have no yolk to protekt - merely the illusion of protekting that which 'thimks' it needs protektion... which by 'thimking' it, is all ready illusionary... after all, what is there to protekt aside from the freedom to be, whether one is the butterfly or the dream... the frog & the jump... the straw hatted angler tying flies as he floats down & thru the tresses of Lethe... the running of the bulls in pamploma... garcon, an other pernod & an other plate of oysters in & on the shell...
& sum frog's legs, s'il vous plait - & this time, please, gimme the legs without the jump - last time i was here, the lady had hiccups & didn't sleep 'til the son bleated thru the mourning smog... & the rooster's krow kracked the sky-line... a smile krumbelling under the blows of the anonymous aggressor... the fly in the ointment, the mote in the eye, the fist in the first sonata pushed to the ventrikle after the third...
lost as alwaze & alwaze lost in the kusp...
Subject: ltriplikating the fourth
From: ejLight@light-mission.org (E.J.)
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 20:46:57 GMT
Greetings Volker, you wrote: ->sumtimes sending the message a hundred times is not enuff... each shell has ->it's own degree of hardness...
Indeed so Dear Friend. We have ears but are not Ears, we have eyes but are not Eyes. Thus we Hear not nor Listen nor See. Oddly enough, we are always looking at it but it is not there. A Blind spot in our conditioned modus operandi.
-> i have no yolk to protekt -
You are not yoking.
-> merely the ->illusion of protekting that which 'thimks' it needs protektion...
We protect our harbored notions for Fear that we would lose our mind if we were to Empty it. Without *contents*, how Full is the Glass ? Empty, is there a Glass ?
->which by ->'thimking' it, is all ready illusionary...
*Deep Bow*
-> after all, what is there to ->protekt aside from the freedom to be,
BEing needs no seeming protection, as Freedom is BEing that Freedom.
->whether one is the butterfly or the -> the running of the bulls in ->pamploma...
The only bull at a bull fight is in the stands. Not "inner approval", for that may still be tainted by conditioned ideas and images and meanings and notions of all sorts. No, it is more Dancing What-IS with no seeming approval by anything. Just BEing What-IS Danced. Divinity can not be experienced, rather BEing that seeming divinity. Experiencing necessitates an experiencer and something to experience, yet the experiencer must BE the experience or it is just rationalization of the Grand Trickster. Where is there to "go". Infinity/Eternity IS this ever anew Present Moment. Thus all we have to do is BE the True Nature we ARE where we are.
Subject: Welcome
From: Sharlene <sharlene@light-mission.org>
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 05:02:13 -0800
Hi all,
The transformation of the list seems to be working quite well. Would like to take the opportunity to welcome any new members to the group and look forward to sharing and getting to know you. Strangers are friends we haven't met yet.
Thats it for now.
Subject: Ray said.....
From: ejLight@light-mission.org (E.J.)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 06:01:25 GMT
Greetings Community,
Ray just wrote and said: "Disheartened because you need a *WHACK* now and then ? The easily discouraged NEVER start Awakening. Only Persistence and Perseverance will see you though in spite of the many ruts we stumble in. Actually, if you never stumble in those ruts you are fooling yourself that you are on The Path. You see, the Grand Trickster would not trip you up if you were on his path -- only when you are on The True Path will he try to trip you up."
That seems to make sense. But Volker said that he would volunteer to take all the Whacks, so that part does not apply as long as Volker is around {8->
What do the rest of you Leisurely Residents say ?
Subject: what if
From: Sharlene <sharlene@Light-Mission.org>
Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 12:18:41 -0800
Playing the "if" game for a moment: What if the people in the world, lost all memory of the intellect, knowledge and access to the same, other than experience, what do you think would happen? And IF people who read allot are called well read, why is that those who watch allot of TV, are not called well viewed? And what do we call those who do neither?
Subject: what if
From: ejLight@light-mission.org (E.J.)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 02:08:56 GMT
Greetings Sharnanda, you wrote: ->Playing the "if" game for a moment:
Ah, er, well, but.....
->What if the people in the world, lost all memory of the intellect, ->knowledge and access to the same, other than experience, what do you think ->would happen?
Is memory part of intellect ? Is intellect part of memory ? Is either dependant on the other ? Can intellect be remembered ? Though, memory is intellectualized. Memory is part and parcel to manifest form, thus intellect is the game of "if" and thus a byproduct of the contents we harbor in the mind. So, without intellect (Emptying the contents of the mind) there would only be memory or Zikr (Self-Remembering). You see, it is not so much that we *forget* but rather that we Veil this Remembering with tons and tons of conditioned matter which we store in the attic. Thus cleaning out the clutter in the attic, there is a certain Knowing (Self-Knowledge) and thus a complete memory (Self-Remembering). What would happen ? AAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH {8->
->And IF people who read allot are called well read, why is that those who ->watch allot of TV, are not called well viewed?
*Roaring Laughter* Or well programmed ? Depending on what program they we viewing {8->
->And what do we call those who do neither?
Mindless ! Or it has been called "No-Mind". Though others call it "Headless".
Subject: what if
From: "Ragland, Thomas" <TRagland@UMCOM.ORG>
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 07:17:30 -0600
Like collapsing a magnetic field by removing the electricity. As soon as you turn the power back on, it is back in full force. The intellect is indeed conditioned, as Buddha taught, but that doesn't make it unreal or even unneeded. What if you had to relearn how to get to work everyday, or how to drive your car, or how to take a crap? Here is one for you-- could any of us get Real--enlightened, nirvanaed, awakened, anointed, resurrected, or whatever the goal is--if we didn't have the intellect ego to use as a tool? True it is the grand deceiver and keeps us from being authentic with its loads of language and memory and logic--but isn't it part of what we are here to experience? I heard a concept once that the distraction is also Buddha. What about being 100% present and aware that you have an intellect to use at your disposal to assist you--it is not eternally you, it is conditionally there, but it is a useful tool. You are using yours as you are reading this text because it has learned English.
Subject: what if
From: "Ram Varma" <ramvarma1@rogers.com>
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 17:19:36 -0500
Body, senses, mind and intellect make up our vehicle to manifest what our true-self aspires to manifest. We need to keep this vehicle in good shape to have human experiences; responding to situations, performing our roles and manifesting our goals/aspirations etc. Also intellect seems to be the superior-most faculty of our vehicle: senses are superior to the body, mind is superior to the senses and intellect is superior to mind. The driver of this vehicle is the indwelling spirit/energy/ God whatever name we wish to give it. This is the wholesome synopsis of a person and we need to be fully in touch with it to understand and enjoy our experiences. More we are established in this beautiful combination more we are effortlessly drawn towards infinity and eternity. That gives an infinite picture of us as spiritual beings having human experiences.
With Best Wishes...........Ram
Subject: what if
From: ejLight@light-mission.org (E.J.)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 23:26:11 GMT
Greetings Ram,
First, Welcome to our little Oasis and thank you for join in.
You wrote: ->Body, senses, mind and intellect make up our vehicle to manifest what our ->true-self aspires to manifest.
Apples are apples, as oranges are oranges, as the form is the form, as "body, senses, mind" are not intellect. This common fallacy of equating intellect with the natural form leads to the misconception that intellect is not *added baggage* that we eventually have to let go or Silence or Still AS Awakening. We even rationalize our clinging to intellect by saying that the new born has not *developed* it yet, yet the new born never would if it were not for helpful parents and playmates and society at large. B. F. Sinner, the father of modern day Behaviorism, showed this in the raising of is daughter. In order for us to get our frogs to go in a straight line we have to keep all our frogs in a row {8->
->We need to keep this vehicle in good shape to ->have human experiences; responding to situations, performing our roles and ->manifesting our goals/aspirations etc.
Sounds a bit Dualistic. Who wrote the script for the "roles" ? Who's movie ? Seeming "goals/aspirations" conjure the past and future, thus rendering them but seeds of depression and conflict and Suffering. In the phenomenal realm we do set goals and have aspirations of the highest, yet rarely do we get out of the basement. And actually impede Awakening for they maintain our attention within an unreal matrix, a fantasy realm of past and/or future. Dream not Dear Friend, just do it. Simply BE it. Though indeed, this "vehicle" is the only one we have so it would behoove us to look after it's health and well being.
->Also intellect seems to be the ->superior-most faculty of our vehicle:
Rather, perhaps, "the superior-most faculty of" the conditioned contents we squirrel away in the attic.
-> senses are superior to the body, mind ->is superior to the senses and intellect is superior to mind.
Is not such hierarchy a complexity of that which is simple ? The form is the form Dear Friend, and all of the form is most superior thus one aspect removed from the natural form would render the form disabled. Indeed within the clutter that is the contents of mind, we like to think that this or that is more superior than that or this. Yet, "not this not that". No part of the contents of which is Pointed to here is superior to even the solid waste that the form excretes. And intellect is but a Mask of the Grand Trickster that the contents are so fond of flaunting.
->The driver of ->this vehicle is the indwelling spirit/energy/ God whatever name we wish to ->give it.
The Tao that is named is not the Tao. IF we would let it be so, the vehicle would actually Drive itself. Leaving us to leisure, such that we could Enjoy/Embrace/BE the very form we ARE. After all, we can not let just anybody get behind the wheel {8->
->This is the wholesome synopsis of a person and we need to be fully ->in touch with it to understand and enjoy our experiences.
It is offered to BE those Direct Experiences, as who is to enjoy them other than the Present we ARE ? Simply BE, and All Direct Experience is most Awesome.
-> More we are ->established in this beautiful combination more we are effortlessly drawn ->towards infinity and eternity.
Though indeed there are many Routes to and along the Path, there is but One Path of Awakening. We fool ourself *thinking* that we can *choose* this or that to be some conglomerate we can call ourself, identify ourself with. We ARE, All IS, all else is but the so called "other" that is nonexistent.
->That gives an infinite picture of us as ->spiritual beings having human experiences.
Philosophically, as De Cartes would have us *believe*, it is a wondrous notion though keeps the Dream/Lie ever perpetuated. Yet practically, we are humans thinking we are spiritual. Divine, indeed, as All IS, yet we have to get out of our head in order to Truly Directly Experience What-IS Truth/Reality AS it IS.
BE Well, yet ever so Mindful Wonderful New Friend.
Subject: what if
From: ejLight@light-mission.org (E.J.)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 18:46:17 GMT
Greetings Thomas, you wrote: ->Like collapsing a magnetic field by removing the electricity. ->As soon as you turn the power back on, it is back in full force.
But most of the time, the lights are on but no one is home.
->What if you had to relearn how to get to work everyday, ->or how to drive your car, or how to take a crap?
This is relative to damage to the form, namely the brain and thus the mind faculty, and not really relative to Awakening or Silencing the mind or Emptying it of it's contents.
->Here is one for you-- ->could any of us get Real--enlightened, nirvanaed, awakened, anointed, ->resurrected, or whatever the goal is--if we didn't have the intellect ego to ->use as a tool?
Does the tiger ever succeed in catching it's prey when it's prey is it's tail ? It seems to be the proverbial Vicious Circle. Is the tiger chasing the tail or is the tail running from the tiger ? Indeed intellect is one of the items in our toolbox, but is only relative to the phenomenal realm. Thus little more than a capacity for intelligence, rationality, speculation, reflection, study, and thus not present when the mind is Silent/Still/Empty. When we try to use that same tool to help us Awaken it is like the tiger chasing it's tail because the intellect is not present AS Awakening. Granted, even before we open our mouth to offer Insights/Pointers to others there is a phenomenal relating but does not involve intelligence or rational thinking or speculation/deduction or reflection or study so intellect is not used as a tool thence. It involves an Observation/Witnessing thus Flow With/AS Whatever-IS that Moment, drawing of course from what is called memory and officiated by what is called mind. Much like what some call "channeling", yet the True Nature is what is being "channeled" and not some other entity. With no real interest or projections into/onto Whatever-IS when Whatever-IS occurs AS the Present Moment.
Yet "enlightened, nirvanaed, awakened, anointed, resurrected, or whatever" is far from a "goal" Dear Friend, rather a result of nothing (no harbored conditioned notions) left to let go.
-> True it is the grand deceiver and keeps us from being ->authentic with its loads of language and memory and logic--
Assuming that memory is somewhere stored in the mind or intellect, which it is not. Most *think* that intellect and thoughts and memory and emotions and whatever is part and parcel to mind, yet it is not. The mind is just the mind, doing what the mind does, being the mind. The mind is just a processor, sort of like the processor that directs the operations of your computer. It is the *contents*, the conditioned ideas and images and meanings and notions of all sorts, that we harbor therein and cling to so dearly that is the "deceiver" that "keeps us from being authentic" actually with ourself. We must Understand the mind and it's operations, and thus what we harbor therein.
->but isn't it part ->of what we are here to experience?
So says the Grand Trickster. Granted, the human condition includes a wondrous facility that we call mind but that just comes along with the package. It is the heavy burden of the contents therein that seems to be our experience while Sleeping (conditioned programmed controlled manipulated automatons). Though indeed, as some have called humanity, we are *machines*, that is not "what we are here to experience". To *think* so is but a rationalization so that we can hold on to those contents.
-> I heard a concept once that the ->distraction is also Buddha.
So is said, since All is Consciousness then What-IS and What-ISNOT is Consciousness. Thus, so is said, both Awakening and Sleeping are Perfect just the way it is. Which is True on the surface, but actually Awakening is our True Nature and Sleeping hides that Fact from our Realizing/Recognizing it.
->What about being 100% present and aware that ->you have an intellect to use at your disposal to assist you
Well, "100% present" leaves no room to be "aware that you have an intellect", let alone "to use at your disposal", as such seeming awareness would not "assist you". While AS the very Present Moment there is only BEing the Dance that IS that Present Moment, without even the consideration that there is a Moment or even a Dance or even a Dancer. For "100% present" means that there is Nothing other than the Present. Thus since the contents of the mind which includes the intellect fights to maintain it's identity, "100% present" is never possible while we cling to those dearly beloved contents.
->--it is not ->eternally you, it is conditionally there, but it is a useful tool.
And who is it who determines the conditions or it's conditionality ? The Grand Trickster ?
->You are ->using yours as you are reading this text because it has learned English.
Perhaps, yet is not this reading within the scope of that which is phenomenality ? Yet, Witnessing/Observing and Flowing with what is Witnessed/Observed AS the Dance called phenomenality, one would not need much of an intellect. Look around, if everyone has one why do few use it {8->
Subject: Found this old thing
From: Sharlene <sharlene@light-mission.org>
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 20:23:00 -0800
My goodness, found this old thing, wrote it after I experienced the dark night and a few smaller dark nights. Just sharing and laughing over the memory.
Again and Again
Again I break, leaving past behind, My will been given into thine-
Again I break, dissolving pride, Hurts and fears-streaming wide-
Again I break, again I die, Releasing bonds- again I fly-
Again I break- love streaming free, You,and they, becoming me -
Again I break, grab the wheel, Take control- drive by feel-
Again I break, again I see, The hardship I have caused for me-
Again I break, leaving all desire, To stand before the inner fire-
Again I break, to face confusion, And leave behind, all disillusion-
Again, and again, I shall go, Till all above, is- as below-
Aug.27/98
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