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Subject: A Ray Of Light

From: Ray.of.Light@light-mission.org

Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 05:42:33 GMT

Greetings,

No phenomenon is repeated, as no Moment in it's entirety is repeated and the two are the same.


Subject: Absolute ?

From: ejLight@light-mission.org (E.J.)

Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 03:44:00 GMT

Greetings Community,

Call it "absolute" if you will and as some have, but yes there is but One Answer because there is but One Way because there is but One Path because there is but One Truth because there is but One Reality because All IS One, though many Routes are there AS Answer/Way/Path/Truth/Reality/One. Which is: Awakening to the Illusions of conditioned programmed controlled manipulated thinking and behavior. There are many practices to aid in doing so, but the bottom line of all of them is to Drop the Stick we keep beating ourself with. So the One Answer is to Drop the Stick, but how each of us go about doing so all depends on our particular skills to so. So, One Answer but many methods of arriving at that One Answer as long as those methods do not include a head full of conditioned notions. One might even say that the One Answer IS "BEing". For THAT is actually the One Answer: BEing, just simply BE. No ?


Subject: Re: Absolute ?

From: Sharlene <sharlene@light-mission.org>

Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 06:11:44 -0800

> >Which is: Awakening to the Illusions of conditioned programmed controlled >manipulated thinking and behavior. One >might even say that the One Answer IS "BEing". For THAT is actually the >One Answer: BEing, just simply BE. No ?

Good morning everyone. It's been awhile. I have been able to read but sending mail seems to be a bit of a problem for the last month.

I'm probably going to babble on a bit now, so don't say you won't warned. :)

And yet, the last month has been a very good experience of doing and being in the most simplistic ways. Right down to the fact that not writing email brought things back to almost pre computer time. When one sat around in the evenings and talked, played games or went to bed early. Somewhere in my mind I had thought that with the busy of last year, this year would or may be allot quieter. Ha Sort of a good thing that winter, unlike the East, was almost non existent until the last couple of weeks. Then the bottom fell out of the cloud and over two feet of snow landed in the north, on one day.

The last month consisted of helping others in ways I would have never thought of. It started out with me going down to help out when my son in laws back got sore and he was bed ridden for two weeks. After a week, his cousin, ended up being called in for a kidney pancreas transplant. Man, when they say, when the bell rings, you drop and run. It's so true. He was on the waiting list for over three years, wearing a beeper, waiting for it to ring. Then when it does, what an experience. During all this another family member had a hysterectomy and was waiting for the call for her operation on both arms. One week after the first operation, they called for the second. She has two small kids and her husband had to work out of town that week. So guess what? Join the happy family of recovering people. After a week or so the kidney transplant could go home, and to top it off broke out in case of shingles. So the quarantine began for that house. None of us were allowed in just in case we were carriers of anything. They were afraid he would reject the transplant while the immune system, being rather low or non existent, was busy fighting the shingles. As for the hysterectomy, arm patient, we had to go over and clean the house from top to bottom, because she couldn't do any heavy work for six weeks, let alone have to find someone to wipe her butt for a week while the healing took place.

In between all this I got my grandbaby to walk, and to safely climb up and down the stairs. In the meantime, when it was okay for the help to leave, the trip back was postponed due to a week of severe winter weather around the province. During that time, up north, Dad ended up back in the hospital. Due to cutbacks, all the beds were full and he had to make the trip back and forth every four hours for his medications. Try that in a blizzard. Man, they say if spring comes in like a lion, what about the new year? Does that mean the rest of the year will be a smooth ride? We can only hope and take it one step at a time. Now we are waiting for my other daughter to be called in for knee surgery. The blessing in that, is no long distance travelling. So, whats next? With the impending sad times coming in the world, perhaps it is just the beginning of a long road of helping others in the world.

On the trip back to the north, the freeway was loaded with depris from the strong winds and the canyon was a ride in the cloud, wet and dark. Then by the time I got to the Cariboo a chinook was blowing from the south, and all the provinces snow was melting rather quickly. So the roads become river paths.

To avoid the wicked roads of the north, I ended up staying with a friend in the Cariboo for two days. Him and his wife had split up and he was trying to handle his own stuff, and having to deal with a psycho woman. And that term is not being used as a put down, but a reality. His story was backed up by other friends that had to also deal with her. She would phone and go totally ballistic. She has problems with addiction, and although she quit drinking four years ago, she never went for help or joined a program. All her demons from the past are on the surface, and her habit of pot smoking just doesn't take them away. When I first met her she was drinking and so not too much of this behavior surfaced, only once in awhile. He is having a hard time dealing with the whole thing. But he did join Al a Non and is learning about himself and his part in the whole thing. So the victimhood energy is being replaced with insights into himself. He had asked me to be his sponsor a few months ago. While I was there, I could see how his life has gotten out of control and the knowledge that I could have helped him organize surfaced. But I bit the bullet, and knew that he had to save himself so left him in his mess and clutter. He is not in the head space to make many decisions and I know that if I helped him to much, he never would get through that. It wasn't easy being who I am. but I learned that lesson the hard way and practise that on a daily basis. The fine line between care taking and care giving.

So now it's time for spring cleaning around here. Got home yesterday, unpacked, and today is getting myself organized again. The weather is not co operating for any outside jobs so will spend the time doing the indoor stuff and getting caught up with the snail mail.

Well, thats my prattling for today. It's been rather quiet around here. Surely there must be something happening in your lives that one could share with us. Examples of how you are walking the walk, and whats new and what isn't. Or the latest insights you have witnessed within yourselves. Anything? Let's get some noise in this quiet place. ha.

Love and blessings to all Sharlene


Subject: Stars

From: Sharlene <sharlene@light-mission.org>

Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 06:22:24 -0800

Taurus - (April 20-May 20) Romantic, creative, speculative and pleasure urges call you Sunday/Monday - but they run into two long-standing walls. The money/practical wall will dissolve this summer. The other "wall" is really a question: Do you want romance, or deeply consequential sex? To change your life, or create? Pleasure, or growth? You can have either of any pair, but not both, through 2007. Tackle work or health needs Tuesday (difficulty) and Wednesday (very productive). Relationships puzzle but bless you, Thursday/Friday. Sex, investments exhibit surface luck Saturday: look deeper, farther. Romance shouldn't be secret!

Why can't I have it all? These light mission star watch things are rather good. I laugh when they hit on the romance thing, as there is no romance in my life and not to sure I want any. Not in the ordinary way, that is. Most of the time I read after the week was over so they don't influence me on a subtle level. I think sometimes when we read horrorscopes we tend to lean towards the words and do nothing, rather than use them for pointers.

I dunno Shar


Subject: Re: Absolute ?

From: ejLight@light-mission.org (E.J.)

Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 14:55:32 GMT

Greetings Sharlene,

Well, good to see you back. Thank you for the update of happenings in your part of the world. Life seems to be a Grand Adventure, when Embraced AS it IS. Always anew each Moment, an awesome experience at every turn when nothing anticipated and/or projected into/onto the Moment.


Subject: Awakening Is.........

From: Ma <MaheshPradeep@dakwala.com>

Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 15:31:52 -0800

"The highest good is like water. Water gives life to the ten thousand things and does not strive. It flows in places men reject and so is like the Tao. In dwelling, be close to the land. In meditation, go deep in the heart. In dealing with others, be gentle and kind. In speech, be true. In ruling, be just. In business, be competent. In action, watch the timing. No fight: No blame." -- Lao-tzu


Subject: True Guru

From: ejLight@light-mission.org (E.J.)

Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 20:43:09 GMT

Greetings Community,

"It is not the worship of a person that is crucial, but the steadiness and depth of your devotion to the task. Life itself is the Supreme Guru; be attentive to its lessons and obedient to its commands. When you personalize their source, you have an outer Guru; when you take them from life directly, the Guru is within." - Nisargadatta Maharaj

AND, which must be added, which Wise sayings do not Point out most of the time, before there can BE a Guru "within" (to use Nisargadatta's word) you must let go of the dearly beloved conditionings that are also "within" (to use Nisargadatta's word) otherwise you only Fool yourself *thinking* that you have Released the Guru "within" (to use Nisargadatta's word) from it's Bondage of conditionings.


Subject: RE: True Guru

From: "Ragland, Thomas" <TRagland@UMCOM.ORG>

Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 06:52:23 -0600

Doesn't there come a phase when one is caught between Completely being ruled by conditionings And completely being open to the Guru of direct experience? It is where you know the difference And you know when you directly experience BEING the Guru, And you know when you are being led by conditionings, And you directly experience being led by conditionings, And that is part of your awakening?

I think the key is that the conditionings cease to be "Dearly beloved" And are seen as fetters that are being dragged through life. Perhaps a key for one (like me) who is not so far advanced Is to directly experience no longer identifying myself with conditioning.

To quote our beloved sister Sharlene--I dunno.


Subject: RE: True Guru

From: Sharlene <sharlene@light-mission.org>

Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 06:19:36 -0800

Good morning Thomas, you wrote: >Doesn't there come a phase when one is caught between >Completely being ruled by conditionings >And completely being open to the Guru of direct experience?

I think it's called awakening. Not yet awake, and to aware to be a sheeple.

>It is where you know the difference >And you know when you directly experience BEING the Guru,

After the fact. During the experience, it is not recognized. One says Holy, what an experience. ha ha

>And you know when you are being led by conditionings, >And you directly experience being led by conditionings, >And that is part of your awakening?

Yes, awareness of what you are doing and looking into the intent behind it. Questioning oneself as to what is there to gain in the experience, and for whom. Recognizing the conditioning, questioning, and finding the answer within oneself is all in the process, or the path, until it becomes you without question, and there is no longer a path. If that makes any sense. Hey, I know what I mean even if no else does. ha ha

>I think the key is that the conditionings cease to be >"Dearly beloved"

Off your topic here for a moment. I have read many a post when others use the term Dearly Beloved as a reference to the Higher Power, God, or Universal energy. The usage of this term to me, tells me that the belief system is still in control. When one can no longer recognize the separation of all that is, they no longer need to cling to a Dearly Beloved.

>And are seen as fetters that are being dragged through life.

Or perhaps need something else top blame or praise.

>Perhaps a key for one (like me) who is not so far advanced

When one quits self judgement it helps. lol Recognition and awareness is not judgement. But an acceptance of what is and who we are within the moment. You do not know where you are on the path because there is no path. there is no gauge to go by. All you have is the moment, and what you do within that moment. Be aware of what you are doing, become the doing, and nothing else matters.

>Is to directly experience no longer identifying myself with >conditioning.

To directly experience, is to experience without recognizing there is a you experiencing. Then all there is, is the experience.

>To quote our beloved sister Sharlene--I dunno.

Awe Thomas, you are cute. lol So If I dunno and you dunno, we are in good company. ha

Shar


Subject: Re: True Guru

From: ejLight@light-mission.org (E.J.)

Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 14:46:53 GMT

Greetings Thomas, you wrote: ->Doesn't there come a phase when one is caught between ->Completely being ruled by conditionings ->And completely being open to the Guru of direct experience?

That would be nice, likened perhaps to sinning all week and confessing on sunday and all is okay again. Hold on to the Baggage and squeeze it through the Door and take it with you. Only in our deluded mind can we keep our defilements and enjoy Saintly status. When you avoid the Pain you miss the Dance, quite simply that. All this Rationalization is because the Pain is more than we are willing to endure and the Work to daunting a Task. Why put off until Tomorrow what should be done NOW ?

->It is where you know the difference

Problem is that there is no way to know the difference because when you are juggling Heaven and Hell you always take the path of least resistance. Thus the fine line betwixt the two becomes ever so indistinct. Let it go ! Just Do It ! The Pain is in the hesitation.

->And you know when you directly experience BEING the Guru, ->And you know when you are being led by conditionings, ->And you directly experience being led by conditionings,

The fallacy is that when being led by conditionings the guru is the Grand Trickster. Jesus said it: you can not serve two masters. Either you give up the conditionings or be run by them. Simple.

->And that is part of your awakening?

What you propose is part of Sleep, deluding ourself because we like our little vices. A look in the Mirror of Truth is way too hideous a sight, so we turn away hoping for a Savior to Save us. Problem is that there is only one person who can Save us from ourself, and that person is YOU. And if you do not Just Do It, it will not get done.

->I think the key is that the conditionings cease to be ->"Dearly beloved"

All by themselves..... sure. They would gladly just run away from you..... sure. "Here's yur sign".

->And are seen as fetters that are being dragged through life.

Why continue the Burden ? Sort of self defeating, self destructive.

->Perhaps a key for one (like me) who is not so far advanced

More an excuse than a key.

->Is to directly experience no longer identifying myself with ->conditioning.

No, Directly Experiencing is Directly Experiencing Moment to Moment AS whatever is Directly Experienced at the Moment. Direct Experience just means that you are Present AS the Present when Experiencing. Stopping identifying with the conditionings is a step in the right direction because you can not Directly Experience anything while clinging to the conditionings. You only experience your conditionings.


Subject: Virtue ?

From: ejLight@light-mission.org (E.J.)

Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 05:50:16 GMT

Greetings Community,

First, why are there Virtues to practice ? Because we are not Virtuous ? If we were Virtuous we would not be attracted to practice them. No ? Is this not a sad commentary of our so called Spirituality ? We say that we are Spiritual yet still have to be reminded to practice Virtues ? Is it not obvious that we have not *Gotten It Yet* ? Because we harbor, thus hide away, many defilements ? Many defiling conditioned ideas and meanings and notions of all sorts ? Perhaps we have taken the wrong Fork in the Road ?

Secondly, a Virtue: Service = Selflessness. Service = BEing Selfless. When there is no consideration of self-interest there is Service. Most quotes in regard to Service are good in a phenomenal sense, yet are still mechanical when not selfless. And the Greatest Service one can offer to another is an extended hand of Compassion to Help another Unfold their own Potential Awakening. Likened perhaps to MichelAngelo's painting on the Sistine Chapel ceiling. No ?

So........ Walk for a while, and you will See Wonders unbeknownst before - you will See the Wonder of YOU. There is but One Miracle in all of manifested form, and that Miracle is YOU. The Mirror of Truth is held up for you to Truly See that Miracle. Of course looking into the Mirror of Truth is not without Pain, for it reflects our flaws and Causes of our Suffering. Oh yes, we can turn away from the Mirror of Truth and thus avoid the Pain but we would miss the Dance - the Cosmic Dance of Awakening to the Miracle that we ARE. Come........... Dance.


Subject: BE

From: Ma <MaheshPradeep@dakwala.com>

Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 16:11:19 -0800

"Your duty is to be and not to be this or that. 'I am that I am' sums up the whole truth. The method is summed up in the words 'Be still'. What does stillness mean? It means destroy yourself. Because any form or shape is the cause for trouble. Give up the notion that 'I am so and so'. All that is required to realize the Self is to be still. What can be easier than that?" -- Sri Ramana Maharshi


Subject: Step by Step

From: Ma <MaheshPradeep@dakwala.com>

Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 20:46:02 -0800

"The Steps taken leave footprints in the sand, though through Weather and Surf all must pass away. The Steps not taken leave Gaps in the sand, though surely the sand must pass away the Gaps remain. Open Honest Self Enquiry is the Path to Awakening. The Price is to give up all you think you know, thus projecting nothing into/onto this Self-Enquiry. Question every self-arising thought, being a Sentinel of your mind. Let the mind process nothing before scrutinizing it. React to nothing. Do not *compare*. Patience and Persistence thus Persevere, so True Listening is a Vital Key. It is not an over-night revelation, rather a continuous instantaneous Unfoldment." -- Sri Swami Yogayuktaatmaa


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