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Subject: RE: People Are Funny
From: "Ragland, Thomas" <TRagland@UMCOM.ORG>
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 07:06:58 -0500
I know everyone can get so wrapped up in their work That they "are" the work. It seems to work best for Artistic types--musicians, artists, writers, athletes. In corporate dualism, you get yanked around by Bosses who are not one with your work, Who make bad decisions and force them upon you, So you have to misdirect the oneness. Break the bubble. It is like the non-dualist approach leaves you vulnerable, Like a form of clinging that creates suffering. It is easier to detach yourself and not care so much, And just be in it for the paycheck. But the real payoff is being there with the creation And feeling the quality produced by immersing in it. No?
Subject: RE: People Are Funny
From: Sharlene <sharlene@light-mission.org>
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 05:25:10 -0700
>I know everyone can get so wrapped up in their work >That they "are" the work. It seems to work best for >Artistic types--musicians, artists, writers, athletes.
Yes, it is easier to meditate in the mountains than it is to meditate in down town traffic. The thing being, the traffic meditator can carry this into the mountains, where the mountain meditator has to adjust to the traffic. The old expression about the artistic temperament having to have things their way.
Subject: Re: People Are Funny
From: ejLight@light-mission.org (E.J.)
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 17:30:23 GMT
Greetings Tom, you wrote: ->I know everyone can get so wrapped up in their work ->That they "are" the work. It seems to work best for ->Artistic types--musicians, artists, writers, athletes.
Yes, it is called *paying attention to what you are doing*. Strict, sole, whole, concentrated attention. Nothing mystical about that, safety organizations have been preaching that to workers for many years. And they have not been talking to those of the more creative bent but rather the general work force. Freud would have called your reaction an 'avoidance response'. Because it is not that being attentive to what is at Present that is so difficult, or better suited for a select few, but rather that we are conditioned not to want to give up the past and future. We are conditioned to prefer day dreams and fantasies and Illusions, so the Present is some mystical place where Wizards and all manner of odd sorts hang out, so we *think*. There seems to be a Fear of the Present in your tone.
->In corporate dualism, you get yanked around by ->Bosses who are not one with your work, ->Who make bad decisions and force them upon you,
That is the Truth. Many times beyond understanding how they got into that position in the first place.
->So you have to misdirect the oneness. Break the bubble.
An excuse at best, more a rationalization. When one is Present, Present is always Present, thus whatever the environment and whenever the environment changes, as the ever anew Present changes, Present Presence is always Present. That is, when the boss gives different instructions he is giving the instructions in the Present, where we are Present, thus we just refocus our attention still staying Present. Seemingly pulled from the Present by changing instructions is actually that our attention is refocussed on complaints about the change because we were comfortable the way things were. We do not like change. Though the one thing that never changes is the underlying foundation of manifest form of Change. We get solidified in our conditioned notions of Present and change, not considering that the Present is ever changing anew continuously. So it is offered that all you have to do is shift Present attention rather than shifting attention to the discomfort of change, because the Present is still going to be the Present regardless of where your attention is. That is, do not use differing instructions as an excuse. Continue to BE Present.
->It is like the non-dualist approach leaves you vulnerable,
Oddly, though BEing continuously Present is quite Open and attentive to whatever Presently IS, one is impervious to the changing winds of the environment. In a Dance with any given change, ever Present, always Flowing AS the Dance at Present, whatever changes occur are irrelevant because the Dance continues to Flow regardless of the changes. An awesome experience of continual refocus from Moment to Moment. Confusing and distasteful and painful when not Present, but when Present it is a Wondrous Dance.
->Like a form of clinging that creates suffering.
BEing Present is just the opposite, clinging to nothing not even the Present. It is when you cling to the *preferred present* rather than the Present that Suffering occurs. There is really nothing to Fear but Fear itself. You just have to do it and find out for yourself, because setting there Fearing it will not make the Fear so (other than in your mind).
->It is easier to detach yourself and not care so much,
Yes, but the quick fixes are just to band aid the Fear so we can remain in our shell and not have to deal with Present Reality. Thus do not have to venture out of our *comfort zone*, continuing to Talk the Talk and never have to be bothered with Walking the Walk. But the downside is that we still have to deal with Suffering and conflict and war and greed and hate and corruption and all manner of ills. It is nice for the short run, instant gratification, but in the long run it is not worth it.
->And just be in it for the paycheck.
Ah, the key element -- PAYOFF, the REWARD. Another rationalization, because the more Present one stays the more valuable to the employer one is. Not because the employer appreciates you BEing Present but rather because BEing Present you are more readily attune to whatever it is that the employer changes instructions about. Thus being readily adaptable to any give instructions. Which has even been known to increase paychecks {8-> Job security for sure. Now there is a practical reason to BE NonDualistic, BE Present.
->But the real payoff is being there with the creation
Slight correction: BEing the Creation. "Being there *with* the creation" implies you are separate from creation, which is far afield from Reality. Do you see that this Dualistic approach of separation from What-IS is not Real ? You see, creation is not an Illusion but rather our fixation with being separate from creation is the Illusion.
->And feeling the quality produced by immersing in it.
Slight correction: BE it. "Immersing *in* it" implies you are separate from it, which is far afield from Reality. Do you see that this Dualistic approach of separation from What-IS is not Real ? You see, creation is not as an Illusion but rather our fixation with being separate from creation is the Illusion.
->No?
No !
Subject: Living In The Moment
From: ejLight@light-mission.org (E.J.)
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 04:26:05 GMT
Greetings Community,
This not to be picky about wording, but rather to look at the difference between Dualistic perception and NonDualistic Apperception.
Those who try to *live in the Moment*, disregarding past and future, as a general rule they have no clue as to what that Moment IS that they try to live in. Hence, can quite correctly be termed a *vacuum ideology*. For indeed their trying to live in the Moment is more mental than actual, thus an *ideology*. A real problem to be sure, for someone actually trying to fathom the notion of *BEing the Moment* or *Living AS the Moment*. The Key is the difference between *BEing the Moment* or *Living AS the Moment* and *living in the Moment*. It is Dualistic to be *IN* anything because it implies someone to be IN something other than the someone. *BEing* *AS* the Moment implies that someone IS the Moment and not separate from it. Dualists can not BE the Moment for they are never Present. You have to BE Present to BE the Moment. Thus *living in the Moment* is all in their head, thus but an *ideology*, thus a *vacuum*. Do you see this perhaps subtle difference ?
A fallacy *from the outside* (conceptually speaking) is that when one IS the Moment with no self-arising thoughts of past or future or even Present, one can not function because there could be no planning or direction of skills. As you have no doubt seen with those of this *vacuum ideology* it is True, but not so when one IS the Moment. AS the Moment, BEing Present, all learned skills and mental abilities are at hand as a Potentiality. No decisions need to be made because the body/mind organism instinctively Realizes/Recognizes what needs to be done and how to get it done, in sort of a *second nature* activity. Does a basketball player think about what he does next ? Or is it simply the Realization/Recognition of what needs to do and how he needs to do it ? Without thinking about what he did or what he is going to do next. Instinctive, so to speak. THAT is BEing the Moment. Realizing/Recognizing THAT and applying it is the Key to your dilemma. Try it, you might like it {8-> But like it or not, you will never fathom it until you do try it.
Just Pointing to the general fallacy of the *living in the Moment ideology*. And perhaps the Real Present Moment that one must BE rather than IN. Most Talk the Talk of NonDuality and Present Moment Presence but few ARE NonDualistic and Present each Moment.
}-_-{ "The only proof of absolute Truth is not in knowing it, because it cannot be known, but in BEing it." -- Ramesh Balsekar
Back To The Present
From: ejLight@light-mission.org (E.J.)
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 06:16:21 GMT
Greetings Meditative Ones,
It must be stressed that before you can actually BE the Moment, before you actually BE that state of "aware of the past/future", it is just a concept. Not such a bad one to be sure, but a concept is still a concept and ALL concepts must be let go of BEFORE you can BE. BEing is being without concepts of this and that. For discussion purposes there is little else to use but concepts, but in actual practice there can not be any. It might seem odd to simply Witness, not being attached at all, not clinging to anything, no mental chatter arising, that there could be any sort of understanding or memory retrieval at all. But actually there is a certain Understanding, and certain Apperception, a certain Realization/Recognition without doing any sort of planning or worrying. Everything just seems quite obvious. There is not much to *think* about when things are just obvious. No choices or judgements to make, no comparing to be done, no preferences to impose, not even wondering what is what, when it is right there as plain as the nose on your face. It is the Veils that everyone is wearing, covering their Eyes, so they can not See, thus stumble in obvious ruts in the Road. Of course the ruts are not obvious when one is wearing the Veil that keeps one from Seeing the ruts. The Veil being all the conditioned ideas and meanings and notions of all sorts. Get rid of the Veil and one can See the ruts, that are THEN most obvious.
No ?
Subject: A Ray Of Light
From: Ray.of.Light@light-mission.org
Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 04:34:34 GMT
Greetings,
Since there can not be questions AS the Moment, there is no need of answers. When we respond to whatever is experienced AS the Moment, the seeming questions are already answered.
Subject: fish
From: Sharlene <sharlene@light-mission.org>
Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 04:23:46 -0700
When the pond dries up and the fish are lying on the parched earth, to moisten them with one's breath or damp them with spittle is no substitute for flinging them back into the lake. Don't enliven people with doctrines; throw them back into Reality. For the secret of life is to be found in life itself - not in doctrines about it. -- Anthony de Mello, S.J. [from Song Of The Bird]
Subject: A Ray Of Light
From: Ray.of.Light@light-mission.org
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 05:22:40 GMT
Greetings,
When the mind is Silent, Void of thoughts, the Clarity of our Observations are such that we Recognize the answer before we ask the question. So it is in letting go of the question that we Realize the answer. So the statement should be "Now !" rather than "Now what ?"
Subject: infinity
From: "Ragland, Thomas" <TRagland@UMCOM.ORG>
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 10:30:10 -0500
So much effort To keep centered To keep defined In the midst of infinity But where is the center of infinity? If all is Then being centered keeps you from being all In letting go of your center You find you are infinity
Subject: Re: infinity
From: Ma <MaheshPradeep@dakwala.com>
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 14:10:06 -0700
"The only condition for the realization of Truth is that the knowledge of it be de- sired with tremendous intensity. You cannot see IT, you cannot feel IT only because you do not really want IT - you are too preoccupied with enjoying and sorrowing over your finite existence."
- Ramesh S. Balsekar
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