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Subject: A Ray Of Light
From: Ray.of.Light@light-mission.org
Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 04:37:41 GMT
Greetings,
Awakening is a Path fraught with pitfalls and stumbling-blocks. Are you up to the Task, or would you rather Sleep ?
Subject: A Ray Of Light
From: Ray.of.Light@light-mission.org
Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 04:14:40 GMT
Greetings,
Awakening -- Beware -- Caution -- Serious Damage to Slumber WILL occur. Yet....... "'ride, boldly ride', the Shade replied, 'if you Seek for Eldorado'".
Subject: first time mind
From: "Ragland, Thomas" <TRagland@UMCOM.ORG>
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 08:42:44 -0500
There is a difference in the first time For everything The first time is experienced in an immersion Subsequent times are flown over as from a distance Every detail is alive and fresh the first time No expectations, no planning for what you know is coming Because you don't know, the first time. You just have to let go and enjoy the ride, the first time.
The first time you see a television show, or a movie, You immerse yourself into it, merge into its plot, you are there. But the next time you see it, you are busy thinking about What is coming up next, because you know the plot.
The first time you taste a lemon, you are immersed in sour. But after that, you know what to expect.
The first time you drive on a particular road It is new and alive. Repeat the trip and you think about How many miles it is away from the nearest stop.
Children experience the world at an immersion That grown ups miss out on, because it is fresh and new and alive. The first time on a roller coaster. The first date. The first time driving a car. The first job. The first day on a new job. The first day in a new home. The first day on a vacation. Arrival. Before the planning creeps in and ruins the moment.
So, do something different today, for the first time, And completely immerse yourself in it. Stop going through each day like a repeat-o-zombie. Knock yourself out of the same-old-same-old routine, And wake up to the new experiences of first time mind.
Subject: Re: first time mind
From: ejLight@light-mission.org (E.J.)
Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 17:25:19 GMT
Greetings Tom, you wrote: ->So, do something different today, for the first time,
A positive thought, but is not each day anew thus "different" in every aspect each day ? How much *sameness* could there be when each day is not the day before ? Clinging to some past day, indeed change is Desired yet not Real because the past day is no longer Real. Each day is the very first day of the rest of your life Tom, so each day is a *Happy Birthday* day. Did not Jesus say to "die to yourself each day" ? Enjoy each day AS it IS and not how we would want it "different". Each day is the "first time" we Directly Experienced each day, thus as you yourself elude to, how can we even know what would be "different" to do ?
The positive thinking program is good to help those who refuse to stop clinging to the past, but is little more than a bandage. The Cause of the Suffering is the clinging to the past hoping for or trying something "different" the Present day. But the Present day is the only day there really IS, so the Key is not to try "something different today" but rather BE today because today is all there really IS. Life, each Moment, is to be Lived with the gusto that it is the only Real Moment of Life. And with the Positive assurance that each anew Moment is most Eternal and Infinite. Not as we see it, but rather the Way it IS. Live Life as thought there will be no tomorrow, yet as though it will last forever. To fathom Life you must BE Life. So today, Happy Birthday Wonderful Friend. In fact, Happy Birthday of all the Community. To all the world, Happy Birthday.
Subject: ever wonder?
From: Ma <MaheshPradeep@dakwala.com>
Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 23:05:42 -0700
Hello group,
Ever wonder why, when you leave an Internet discussion group and return a year later, that the discussions seem to be right where they were when you left the group a year ago? That you could jump right in and pick up where you left off a year ago? Of course you do not wonder, you know why. Busy discussion groups are cafes for people who are bored with nothing else to do. A gathering for self-validation or self-glorification. Surely many people enter these groups with more in mind than chit chat, or waving their own flag?
Anyone else wonder? What are these discussion groups to you?
Subject: Re: ever wonder?
From: Bonnie <milks63@yahoo.com>
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 06:41:45 -0700 (PDT)
Hey Ma,
Well...this group is interesting..figured if the big mouth stayed shut...just might learn sumpthin...how are ya...and how's the books doin?
Subject: Re: ever wonder?
From: Ma <MaheshPradeep@dakwala.com>
Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 07:15:50 -0700
->Hey Ma, -> ->Well...this group is interesting..figured if the big ->mouth stayed shut...just might learn sumpthin...how ->are ya...and how's the books doin?
Hello Bonnie,
Thanks for the reply. Yes this group seems to be an exception to the rule, somewhat. And you seem to be an exception to those who hang out in the cafes :-) People get down right offended when one laughs at the masquerade party. Talks are the same, ads are the same, quotes are the same. All though there isn't much said in this group, I too find it refreshing here. Insights are to be had if one is looking for them. But many times it is good to talk about something so one can sort out what might be real and might be unreal, so not talking at all is not what 'discussion groups' is about. People have so many far out ideas these days based on the flimsiest of notions. Unless they talk about them and listen up to replies we have to wait until someone else talks about it to find anything out. By that time we may forget :-)
Books from India? Just offered in case anyone wants them, not a vocation. But thanks for asking.
Subject: Re: ever wonder?
From: Bonnie <milks63@yahoo.com>
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 07:31:50 -0700 (PDT)
Ma,
point well takin....let's talk relationships...if love..ya know the romantic slobbering kind is all in one's head so to speak...of what use could it possibly be....like what's up with the marriage thing..and dating and all that jazz...your wisdom thoughts are appreciated...let's talk..
Subject: Re: ever wonder?
From: Ma <MaheshPradeep@dakwala.com>
Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 12:44:27 -0700
Hello B, ->point well takin....let's talk relationships...if ->love..ya know the romantic slobbering kind is all in ->one's head so to speak...of what use could it possibly ->be....like what's up with the marriage thing..and ->dating and all that jazz...your wisdom thoughts are ->appreciated...let's talk..
Sounds a little dualistic. Relationship to be sure. What is one in relation to the other. It stems from the over used over abuse word "love", because few really understand the word at all. The just use it because it is profitable for them to use it. Profitable in more matters than just money matters :-) In the dualistic 'relationship' idea both in this 'relationship' can profit so it seems ok. So dualistically is the only mindset where relationship and love are used together. Nondualistically there is only love. Not in relation to anything. Just love. So there is nothing or anyone to profit. There is just love. Which means everyone profits, not just those in a relationship. Because with relationships there is still conflict. In love there is only love, so nothing to conflict with. Would be nice to have the love/relationship without the conflict but relationship is not friction free. Love all by itself is friction free. That is why marriage with dualists are usually in some sad shape or another. There is always that relationship thing that actually keeps them from real love. Nondualistically there is only love whether it is in marriage or any other undertaking. No wisdom thought here, just common sense. Because you see, real love is actually the 'two' made 'one'. Likewise in marriage. Westerners, especially dualists, seem to have forgotten that.
Subject: Re: ever wonder?
From: Bonnie <milks63@yahoo.com>
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 13:05:29 -0700 (PDT)
Greetings Ma,
Deep Humble Bow...
Subject: Yester.....today
From: ejLight@light-mission.org (E.J.)
Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 03:19:51 GMT
Greetings Community,
Of course we remain the same in a very real sense, because yesterday does establish today. But today is not yesterday, yesterday just sat the stage for today. This is a given. But when we step out on the stage, since we are not stepping out on the stage yesterday, we have to step out on the stage today. Yesterday *was* but is no more. So let it stay where it is. Let us see what adventures there are today. Why be a step behind ourself ?
Too often we try to hold on to some aspects of yesterday thus miss many aspects of today. So we are always a step behind ourself. All that is offered is that we really should catch up to ourself and see what Wonders may befall us today, the Present Moment. Reduces a lot of stress too. We can not go back and correct any mistakes any more than we can savor any Bliss that *was*, so Drop The Stick. We keep beating ourself with this *Yesterday Stick*, and most times it is a real pain. Sort of a self-destruction, suicidal to be more accurate. That does not make sense. We think it was nice *back then*, and perhaps it *was*, but it no longer is so why fantasize. Day Dreams are a waste of time. And do we really have time to waste ? Though the Present is most Timeless, the phenomenal realm is quite regulated by duration of some sort. Time keeping is man's contrivance but duration is very natural in the phenomenal realm. As soon as you are born you start to get old.
It is really based on Fear, Fear of the unknown. We do not know what today holds in store for us, so we cling to yesterday. But a bird in hand is worth a million times more than many in the bush. So it would seem that the bird in hand (today) is going to be better than all those yesterdays in the bush.
Happy Birthday. No ?
Subject: A Ray Of Light
From: Ray.of.Light@light-mission.org
Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 04:39:48 GMT
Greetings,
When we come face to face with ourself we Realize that there is just ourself and the baggage that we carry around. When we Realize THAT, we Realize that when we let go of the baggage we will be left with ourself. A scary thought to be sure.
Subject: baggage
From: "Ragland, Thomas" <TRagland@UMCOM.ORG>
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 06:49:41 -0500
Probably more self beating with a stick, but... Isn't defining my self versus my baggage A form of dualism in itself? What if you peel away all of the baggage And there is nothing remaining? All of the distractions we try to drop Just to find the Buddha, Trying to end the maya game just to meet Siva, Trying to leave the earth to find heaven. The distractions are Buddha, Life is the greatest teacher. Maya is Siva, when all is seen as one. And earth can be heaven if experienced fully. Maybe there is not even me and a stick, That I beat myself with, I am that stick.
Subject: Re: baggage
From: Sharlene <sharlene@light-mission.org>
Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 07:11:07 -0700
Hi Thomas.
>Probably more self beating with a stick, but...
Just visualize conversations without the words but, however, should, try, ought to, etc. Not speaking to anyone in particular, just supposin'. lol
>Isn't defining my self versus my baggage >A form of dualism in itself?
How can one define self in the terms of baggage. Self is what remains with no baggage. What you are defining is the conditioning imposed upon the ego by the ego, for the ego. Self has no label, no name, no attachments. Duality is intellectual, egotistical, and emotional.
>What if you peel away all of the baggage >And there is nothing remaining?
What if is no longer in question.
>All of the distractions we try to drop
Its not a matter of dropping anything, as there is nothing to drop or a place to drop it.
>Just to find the Buddha,
You will never find the Buddha.
>Trying to end the maya game just to meet Siva,
There is no end.
>Trying to leave the earth to find heaven.
Heaven is on earth. As is hell. Life is what you make it.
>The distractions are Buddha,
Look to where the finger points
>Life is the greatest teacher.
Thats why you are here.
>Maya is Siva, when all is seen as one.
Without the need to name it.
>And earth can be heaven if experienced fully.
Life is.
>Maybe there is not even me and a stick,
No maybe.
>That I beat myself with, >I am that stick.
Bowing humbly in your direction.
Subject: Re: baggage
From: ejLight@light-mission.org (E.J.)
Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 14:39:08 GMT
Greetings Tom, you wrote: ->Probably more self beating with a stick, but... ->Isn't defining my self versus my baggage ->A form of dualism in itself?
Since language is the medium of expression, indeed any definition is inherently conceptual thus Dualistic due to the nature of language. That being a given, we must look beyond the language, in the space between the words to glean the NonDualistic message. So the *logic* of saying since the language is Dualistic also so is the message is a Rationalization, clinging to the language. Likened perhaps to staring at the finger thus not noticing where the finger Points. Little more than an *avoidance response* so we will not have to bear the sight of the Baggage. Most often when we stare at the finger we get poked in the I. But in a very real sense, as long as we cling to the Baggage there will be Dualism. It is always amazing that people are *still there* stumbling over language when it should be one of the first *lessons learned*. Let go of the Baggage, as you state in your next sentence, and there is no Dualism. It seems to be somewhat of a Game by Dualists refusing to admit that they are Dualists. The first step to a Cure is acknowledging that there is a Disease. If we refuse to accept that we are Diseased then we will refuse that there needs to be a Cure. The old "I'm ok you're ok" syndrome.
->What if you peel away all of the baggage
Hmmm, is this not "a form of Dualism in itself" ? Seem to be a double (Dualistic) standard here, stumbling on the Dualistic language used by another and fluently using the same Dualistic language yourself. But that is not the Stick you are Beating yourself with Tom, the Stick you are using on yourself is the avoidance of holding the Stick in the first place. Before you can Drop The Stick you have to acknowledge that indeed you are holding it.
->And there is nothing remaining? ->All of the distractions we try to drop
There is the crux, "there is no Stick" so looking for it or acknowledging it is a waste of time. We will just use the NonDualistic rhetoric and the Pain will *go away* all by itself. Our head just hurts, no one is being Beaten by a Stick. "Denial", some call it. Denial that there is a Stick and anyone Beating themselves with it. Why are you *still there* ?
->Just to find the Buddha, ->Trying to end the maya game just to meet Siva, ->Trying to leave the earth to find heaven. ->The distractions are Buddha,
Nothing is what it seems. When we get hung up on language we never Hear the Message, all we hear are the words.
->Life is the greatest teacher.
Most assuredly, IF we take the ear plugs out of our Ears and the blindfold off our Eyes. Most walk around with Eyes Wide Shut so not much is really Learned.
->Maya is Siva, when all is seen as one.
*Sounds* good, but Talk is not the Walk. Who is it to "see" this "one" ? "One" *other than* what ? NonDualistically there would be no Maya nor Siva, there would not be Two.
->And earth can be heaven if experienced fully.
Indeed Legends in our own mind.
->Maybe there is not even me and a stick, ->That I beat myself with,
Again the crux of the NonDualistic Dualist, the heroin addict with no addiction, the alcoholic without a problem.
->I am that stick.
This is True in a very Real sense, in that we have become the very conditionings that we *believe* to be so. "As a man thinketh, so is he". This is why it is often said that we have to Drop Ourself, or "die to yourself each day".
Subject: Grace Fell For A Dimension Contention
From: ejLight@light-mission.org (E.J.)
Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 02:25:42 GMT
Greetings Community,
Many *think* that True Understanding comes from some magical place outside ourself. Some contended mystical dimension that we can tap into thus syphon off some Grace... that we Fell from. Dualistically, this is so. Yet.....
"Outside" ? "Outside" of what/who ? As long as there is an "outside" there can not BE "True Understanding". Even the passerby who Points, though what might be Pointed to is seemingly "outside" of us, the Realization/Recognition IS that Present Moment when we ARE that Present Moment thus the only "True Understanding" that there can BE. So indeed the Pointing, the interruption of the Sleep, can seemingly come from what seems "outside"... which is actually simply a Woven Fabric of a Single Cord with Many Colors. But no seeming part of the Fabric or even distinction of Color is separate from any seeming "other".
"Grace" is a state of BEing, thus none "other" than our own state of BEing. Our so called "Fall From Grace" is none other than our acquisition of the Baggage of conditioned ideas and meanings and notions of all sorts that separate us from our state of BEing. So our "Fall From Grace" is none other than our Dualistic modus operandi. When we established this *separation* we established Dualism, thus establishing a separation from ourself, thus establishing an "other dimension" that someone can open to. As long as there is an "other", whether it be dimension or anything else, there can not BE Grace nor BEing nor Awakening nor NonDuality. As long as there is one to be "other" than anything else to open to, whether it be dimension or anything else, there can not BE Grace nor BEing nor Awakening nor NonDuality.
All else is mere projection, thus conjecture, thus NonUnderstanding. It would seem.
Anyone else care to comment ? {8-|
Subject: Re: Grace Fell For A Dimension Contention
From: Bonnie <milks63@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 05:52:22 -0700 (PDT)
it seems a great deal of time is spent searching for the 'saving Grace' and at times it appears outside...but hence the seeking...and the continuous searching..until that moment when we realize that the outside had never been and it was us all the time...sometimes misled...sometimes..tripping and falling.....there is no time or grace like the present......may you all be blessed......
Subject: Re: Grace Fell For A Dimension Contention
From: ejLight@light-mission.org (E.J.)
Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 19:29:07 GMT
Greetings Bonnie-ji, you wrote: ->it seems a great deal of time is spent searching for ->the 'saving Grace' and at times it appears ->outside...but hence the seeking...and the continuous ->searching..until that moment when we realize that the ->outside had never been and it was us all the ->time...sometimes misled...sometimes..tripping and ->falling.....there is no time or grace like the ->present......may you all be blessed......
Not one for one liners so I will not offer one, I will just *Deep Bow*.
Subject: Re: Grace Fell For A Dimension Contention
From: Bonnie <milks63@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 12:46:12 -0700 (PDT)
it is i who bow...to all of you..for relentless patience..wisdom...love and true Grace....
Namaste,
Subject: Finding The Path
From: ejLight@light-mission.org (E.J.)
Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 22:34:11 GMT
Greetings Community,
The Path can not be found, mainly because we look for it. There is only BEing the Path, all else is but contrived mental excursions. Indeed it IS the Journey, and IS the Way and IS the Path. But before we can start the Journey/Way/Path we must Free ourselves of defilements (toxic conditionings). Or our seeming journey/way/path is but a contrived mental exercise.
Many Routes lead to The Path but there can only BE One Path, the Path of Awakening. "All roads lead to Rome, as there is only one Rome", "all paths lead to me, as there is only one Krishna". Do not confuse Path with Route. The Path needs no presentation, though many *pretend* to present it. There is only BEing the Path and only we ourselves can BE it. Even if others ARE the Path it has no bearing on us BEing the Path. Only we ourselves can BE the Path.
Any seeming path chosen is not the Correct Path. The Path too stands Alone and can not be imprisoned by some defiled choice. One can only BE the Path, as the Path is a state of BEing and not containable or even findable. The Path IS as we ARE, and only THIS can BE. There is much Wisdom and Work and Pain AS the Path, but there is only Sorrow and Suffering when Sleeping (conditioned programmed controlled manipulated by toxic conditionings). Only the Path not chosen is the Path that can be Walked, as chosen paths are Judgements to proliferate the basis for the Judgements. We do not chose the Path any more than the Path chooses us, the Path is right in front of us all the time so all we have to do is clean out the clutter of conditioned notions so we can Realize/Recognize that Path. Once Realized/Recognized we can Embrace it thus BE it.
The Real Path becomes more obvious as we continue to clean out the clutter of defilements. Always a step behind and step ahead of ourself, thus clinging to some gone by past or hither to come future. Walled away from the Present. Yesterday indeed *was* and it is no doubt that tomorrow *will come*, but neither are Real because there is only Reality AS Present Moment Presence. All else is but regrets or wishful thinking. Obviously, since such seeming vision has not ended conflict or hate or greed or war or corruption or any of the Suffering so predominant in the world.
No ?
Subject: A Ray Of Light
From: Ray.of.Light@light-mission.org
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 04:43:38 GMT
Greetings,
It is a matter of a simple Recognition of What-IS and What-ISNOT. A simple recognition of what Helps in our Awakening and what is just more conditioned drivel. We do not have to label it or judge it or condemn it, just Recognize it and always go the Way of Awakening. Awakening is very simple. In fact, to Awaken, you can not try to Awaken. The hard part is getting rid of the conditioned notions and illusions and fantasies so you can Awaken. Then Awakening is simply there (where it was all the time) and you do not have to do anything about it. Except not cover it back up with different conditioned notions and illusions and fantasies.
Subject: accidents
From: "Ragland, Thomas" <TRagland@UMCOM.ORG>
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 07:07:21 -0500
Most accidents occur within a few miles of the home. You hear of accidents, but rarely ever associated with a long distance trip.
On a trip, every mile is new. This forces the driver to pay attention. The demands a constant being present.
To the store and back, to the job and back, to the school and back, Becomes so scripted, so predictable, that attention is lost, Thoughts wander to future or past And bam.
Subject: Re: accidents
From: ejLight@light-mission.org (E.J.)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 13:18:14 GMT
Greetings Tom, you wrote: ->Thoughts wander to future or past ->And bam.
It is a kind of Rude Awakening that one is not BEing Present {8-> Even when we *think* we are BEing Present, sometimes it takes such a Shock to make us Realize/Recognize that we are not BEing Present.
Subject: Not Known
From: ejLight@light-mission.org (E.J.)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 03:59:19 GMT
Greetings Community,
Indeed not all thought compliments the world in which it arises, other than when it arises due to a pre-programmed response of a pre-programmed stimuli from the very environment it arises in. But then even the seeming or apparent incongruities arise AS the Reality of the Moment thus are as much the Moment as anything else. So even when the arising thought is the very Moment arising then it can not be other than Whatever-IS the Moment, thus quite consistent and most appropriate. Indeed, however, anything NonDualistic is ultimately far afield of Duality. It is offered that Truth/Reality will never be Seen with mortal eyes nor will ever be Seen externally, for Truth/Reality is not *out there* to see. It is AS a state of BEing Truth/Reality that All is Seen and seen AS Truth/Reality.
All is not what it seems. Regardless of whatever we Seek, we will only Find what we are conditioned to look for and *think* that it is what we have been Seeking. So we Find what we project into/onto our Seeking, and not what is actually Sought. Though much knowledge can indeed be gleaned from many points of view, True Understanding has nothing to do with points of view. For points of view are little more than contrivances of preconceptions, opinions as such. The seeming *knowns* are most times stumbling blocks to actual Awakening from the Delusions of the phenomenal realm.
Indeed when the Two are made again One there IS Truth/Reality, that IS in an ever anew Eternal Infinite state of Change/Growth via continued Evolution/Involution. But may it be offered that Presence is when nothing is Present, especially ourself. And Present Moment Presence is BEing Whatever-IS Truth/Reality. So it would seem that True Growth/Change would be an ending of the concept of the *other* thus ending the conflict and hate and greed and war and corruption and separateness and Suffering of all manner. Wherever there is an *other* there is a covetous or repulsive theme, which lends to gain or loss. When there is not *other*, there is nothing to gain or lose because there is no one to gain or lose whatever it is to be gained or lost.
No ?
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