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Subject: Re: Time

From: ejLight@Light-Mission.org (E.J.)

Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 01:53:13 GMT

Greetings Dear Friend, you wrote: ->I just love this little work of art, is there a way I can keep it?? If I pop ->it into a file, will it stay there or evaporate after a little while??? Also ->would you mind if I sent it to a friend or two??

Not a problem, but send them this link for it is nicer {8->

http://www.Light-Mission.org/time.html

Subject: Re: from a friend

From: "Wombat" <labl@zeelandnet.nl>

Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 00:13:00 +0100

Jacquie this is so lovely :-))) Thank you for the smile!!

Subject: Re: Another Politically Correct Guide

From: "Wombat" <labl@zeelandnet.nl>

Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 00:25:16 +0100

:-))))))))))) Thanks for the grin!!

Subject: Re: no ray today?

From: ejLight@Light-Mission.org (E.J.)

Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 02:13:42 GMT

Greetings Wombat, you wrote: ->Actually, I haven't received a Ray since the 1 - 12 - '00 !! I assumed Ray ->was maybe on Holiday or taking a much needed rest, or some such, so maybe ->there is something wrong with my (new) comp or my server isn't passing ->along everything I subscribe to?? :-((

Thank you for the feedback, I will straightaway call him in on the carpet about this and make sure that he Realizes that he can not be slack on the subscription to the mailing. Through rain or snow or sleet or hale or hell or high water, the subscribers must get their Daily Ray. Unless, of course, there is phone line or server problems.

->I am so glad I don't have to write the Ray, I don't know where Ray gets all ->the ideas from, must be very hard to have to write something new every day. ->So I will wait till our Ray of Sunshine appears again on our Light Horizon:) ->Bright Blessings to all!

Oh he does not know what he writes, he just goes off in the ozone types away like he is not even there. He reminds me of Ray Charles playing the piano. Well, after I have a word with him you will start getting your subscription again. If you still do not get your mailings, just let me know because I may have to take stronger measures beyond a stern talk. Thanks again for the feedback.

Subject: Re: Chat

From: "Wombat" <labl@zeelandnet.nl>

Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 00:23:48 +0100

A few days late Shar, I would have chatted with you otherwise. Doing okay?

Subject: Re: Morning thoughts

From: "Wombat" <labl@zeelandnet.nl>

Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 00:31:20 +0100

Shar, I haven't been around a very long time, but I was wondering does that person know you very well? It struck me that you were a person who thought a lot, who wouldn't be burying herself through caring for the 'needs'of others. The only thing to make me ponder if this is so or not is the remark..

cut and pasted... The answer was "probably something that would make me totally > miserable if I had the courage to admit it" end quote

mmm was this a once on thing or something a little more habitual? You okay?

Subject: Re: The Mythological Mother

From: "Wombat" <labl@zeelandnet.nl>

Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 00:20:59 +0100

Oh blushing all over .....oh drat drat drat Shar :-((( I have been sending reiki to myself to heal what I hold for gluttony for a number of things, also my what I regard as food addiction and overeating. Someone once told me that if you over-eat or partake of food with such obvious enjoyment the way I do, that I am creating shortages somewhere in the world! This has so penetrated my mindset that I thought after such a long time and weight gain, I should do something sensible about it, so maybe your giantess was just underlining that :) Kindest regards,

Subject: Re: Authority

From: "Wombat" <labl@zeelandnet.nl>

Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 00:01:33 +0100

I would have to agree dear E.J. earlier this week I wrote to a friend in Oz and said just that :-), nice the way the world turns round, other than this light handed remark, yes there is food for thought in there, Mouseketter:)! Kindest regards,

Subject: Re: Time

From: "Wombat" <labl@zeelandnet.nl>

Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 19:34:46 +0100

Dear E.J. :-))) You are a gem :) !! Thank you so very much, lovely surprise:) I will send it off to a few dear ones come this weekend. I'm sure they'll love it. Kindest regards, Wombat:)

http://www.Light-Mission.org/time.html

Subject: Re: Who and What

From: "Gary L. Rocha" <glr@home.com>

Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 20:41:27 -0700

Dear E.J.. Thank you for the wonderful posting. I have saved it for re-reading ... when my brains cells are more functional and better able to absorb "its" full content/intent. Although I am up and about, the cough persists and is most uncomfortable. The doctors are saying that this strain of flu will remain longer with people (such as myself) who take the preventative hypo every year! Nice to know ... eh! To Wombat, Jacquie and Sharlene ... thanks for keeping the 'home fire' burning. Am appreciative of your postings. For the moment (until I am feeling better, and completely rid of this bug), I shall take on the role of the 'lurker' ... a difficult character to play <G> Hi to every one else ... and especially to the new 'residents' of this oasis. Come out of the 'shadow' and share the Light ... the warmth felt is very healing.

(((Love)))

Subject: More "quotes to ponder"

From: ejLight@Light-Mission.org (E.J.)

Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 04:12:43 GMT

~ Walk The Talk ~

You can talk in circles round and round we go

This and that is not nor is this and that so,

Neither here nor there yet is here and there

Just more confusion do you take the dare.

Just a wink and a shuffle and there it IS

Looking far and wide everything will fizz,

Freedom is not something that you choose

But another word for nothing left to lose.

It's all incumbent from every time to time

Sung by the minstrel said by the rhyme,

Been there done that how would it rate

Have done nothing left it up to fate.

We can't set back and go with the flow

A garden not tended will never Grow,

No more pretending we have some thing

We have to reach out and grab the Ring.

Study long and True practice every day

Silence is the word nothing else to say,

Multiplicity in Union the Void will show

The One that's Two we must let go.

Any fool can Talk any given Walk

The books you read lets you Talk the Talk,

But when will you ever Walk the Walk

For only the Wise can ever Walk the Talk.

Subject: quotes to ponder

From: o.dodge@att.net

Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 18:07:51 +0000

Having the fewest wants, I am neaest to the gods.

-Socrates

Life is really simple, but we insist on making it complicated.

Confucius

As you simplify your life, the laws of the universe will be simpler; solitude will not be solitude, poverty will not be poverty, nor weakness weakness.

~Henry David Thoreau

"The ability to simplify means to eliminate the unnecessary so that the necessary may speak. "

~Hans Hofmann, Introduction to the Bootstrap, 1993

You have succeeded in life when all you really want is only what you really need.

~Vernon Howard

Reduce the complexity of life by eliminating the needless wants of life, and the labors of life reduce themselves.

~Edwin Way Teale

"Live simply that others might live "

~Liz Seaton

The foolish man seeks happiness in the distance; The wise one grows it under his feet.

-- James Oppenheim

Subject: Who and What

From: ejLight@Light-Mission.org (E.J.)

Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 02:35:49 GMT

Greetings Community,

It is True that when asked who we are we consider a certain persona, but why ? This persona taking into account our so called *worldly* relationship with everyday life. And is most separative and a certain Suffering, being an activity of the intellect. Indeed a form of Suffering, but what is the Cause of this Suffering ? Is it not our conditioned make up, our conditioned thinking ? Any fool can recognize a given program, but few Understand the script of that program.

Consciousness IS whatever IS, not something that can become part of anything. Is consciousness part of consciousness ? May I offer not to mistake the frog or the jump for the frog jumping. Consciousness can not be found nor held nor given nor received and can not be separate from itself. Indeed Awareness/Consciousness IS the True Nature that we/all ARE/IS, but an unrecognized True Nature due to the Veil established by our conditioned notions. We can not "deal with" the True Nature (Self as some call it) for it is Veiled from our Seeing it, so we only seemingly deal with concepts. A concept dealing with a concept, a bit like chasing our tail. When we let go of the conditioned notions we THEN can Recognize/Realize the True Nature that we ARE, and so can BE that True Nature. For THEN there is only nothing dealing with nothing resulting in nothing BEing What-IS.

The intellect a tool brought with us to a given incarnation ? The intellect a construct of ego, or visa versa, yet work together ? Like love and marriage ? *Roaring Laughter* What intellectual prowess does the new born offer this Sleeping world ? Most awesome Gurus indeed, for one of the Wisdom Teachings that the new born offers is the lack of intellect. Yet in our Sleeping conditioned programmed state we defile the little Guru with our own defiled conditioned programs "so he will grow up to be just like us". Is not the Son the image of the Father ? Indeed the intellect can be termed a construct of the ego and of course that the ego is a construct of the intellect. For indeed they both "work together", intellect and ego. But do not confuse the intellect and/or ego with the offerings of the new born Guru, for he offers neither. By the way, in case you have not looked around lately, love and marriage does not necessarily go together and one does not necessarily depend upon the other.

Intellect is not a Cause but rather a Suffering. The Cause of intellect is our conditioned programming. The intellect is not a perpetrator invading our being, but rather a by-product of the conditioned modus operandi. And if it is *thought* to be a push-over, or is *thought* that it can simply be ignored and so will not be of much affect, try to get it right the next incarnation. The intellect can be helpful in many ways, but it will not help us Awakening. Though, intellect is not an entity in itself as we are the parents of that *brain-child* so we have to be responsible if it grows up to be a monster. We can point a finger at all the Suffering that Causes us Pain, but we Fear addressing the Causes of our Suffering for it would mean a battle with the Grand Trickster. Actually there is no one or no thing we can use as a scapegoat for our conditioning, yet we can blame ourself if we do nothing about it. Indeed, we are conditioned programmed controlled manipulated automatons auto-piloted by Memorex chained to self-gratification.

*What* indeed is more depersonalized than *who*, yet connotes the very same thing whether we identify with *who* or *what* or *cornflake*. A cornflake's Awakening is the cornflake's Awakening as who's Awakening is who's Awakening as what's Awakening is what's Awakening and no one else's, so there is no advantage in depersonalizing Awakening. So it is with identification as well, so I would say that if we are to identify with anything it would be Awakening rather than *who* or *what*.

*What* may seem to matter more than *who* for it may be assumed that *who* is but an illusion and assumed that *what* is more eclectic. May I offer that both who and what we ARE is of utmost matter. To separate who we are and what we are, and consider only one half, would we not be only considering half of ourself ? As conceptual as this whole entity is, should we not consider the whole entity ? Unlike a cornflake, broken in half would be then two cornflakes, breaking ourself in half would be a mess.

True ?

Subject: Control and Manipulation

From: ejLight@Light-Mission.org (E.J.)

Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 08:18:42 GMT

Greetings Community,

Who controls and manipulates is a most interesting question. However, there is no little devil on the shoulder nor a troll in the head. Indeed it should be of most interest to everyone, for it is the control and manipulation of our thinking and behavior that Veils our True Nature. Prevents us from Truly Walking Up. Though it is called mind control, actually the mind can control nothing because the mind is just a platform or operating system. The mind just runs the programs. The mind is simply being the mind doing what the mind does -- runs the programs. It is the program that does the controlling and manipulating. We are programmed conditioned automatons (robots), and depending on the program whether it be raw materiality or some spiritual game, it is the controller/manipulator of your thinking and behavior. So if you want to point the finger at the culprit of your Blindness and demise, point at the program and not the mind. So it would seem, to get rid of the program (silence the mind, as in meditation) it could no longer control and manipulate our thinking and behavior. Might be worth considering.

There is the biofeedback, and the mind/body complex, the doer and non-doer, nothing and all, the me-entity, conceptual existence, this and that. *Roaring Laughter* Ah, the *word game* -- another fine game to stay distracted so that you will not focus True Attention on the Mirror of Truth where in your Reflection you would See the defiling conditionings that are Painfully horrid. We look in the mirror each morning and whether we may be deemed handsome/beautiful or not we are acceptable to ourselves because that is what we look like. No Pain, no Suffering, for better or for worse, "that's me". But when we Truly look at our Reflection in the Mirror of Truth we See this conditioned programmed puppet creature dangling from the strings of the contents of our mind (The Program, belief system). A helpless automaton awaiting the on-button to be pushed (reaction to some situation). So it is the Grand Puppeteer The Grand Trickster our conditioned thinking that jerks us this way and that in a dance of control and manipulation. Resist influences, believe nothing, be silent, embrace the void, correct view, correct intentions, correct speech, correct actions, correct effort, correct mindfulness, nothing is permanent, all is one, there is only our true nature. If you want to be intelligent then learn something new each day, yet if you want to be Wise forget something you have learned each day. That is, Wake-Up.

Intellectually we are precisely what/who we *think* we are. And we can be the most profoundly versed in all the learning available in every discipline there is. But when we let go of the intellect and embrace the task of cleaning up the defilements (conditioned notions) we See in the Mirror of Truth, THEN a simple grain of sand will reveal the whole secret workings of All that IS. Secret because we can not see it, secret because be are Blinded by our conditionings. Reading and/or reciting Wise words and a couple of dollars may get you a cup of coffee. Letting go of your conditioned notions will get you an Aha. Gather enough Ahas and you start Waking Up. Now this is not to say that a mastery of the language is not an asset, for it is. But it will not get you a ticket to Awakening, and you can not use Visa or MasterCharge. No one Saves you but yourself, no one can and no one may, others can Point to the Path, but you yourself must Walk the Way.

So, this conceptual entity who has dualistically typed nothing and has not sent seeming illusive drivel is not. So to speak. No ?

Subject: Re: Control and Manipulation

From: Victor Torrico <vtorrico@cfw.com>

Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 07:57:24 -0500

Quoting E.J. <ejLight@Light-Mission.org>: > Greetings Community, > > Who controls and manipulates is a most interesting question. > However, there is no little devil on the shoulder nor a troll in the head. > Indeed it should be of most interest to everyone, for it is the control and > manipulation of our thinking and behavior that Veils our True Nature. > Prevents us from Truly Walking Up. Though it is called mind control, > actually the mind can control nothing because the mind is just a platform > or operating system. The mind just runs the programs. The mind is > simply being the mind doing what the mind does -- runs the programs. It > is the program that does the controlling and manipulating. We are > programmed conditioned automatons (robots), and depending on the program > whether it be raw materiality or some spiritual game, it is the > controller/manipulator of your thinking and behavior. So if you want to > point the finger at the culprit of your Blindness and demise, point at the > program and not the mind. So it would seem, to get rid of the program > (silence the mind, as in meditation) it could no longer control and > manipulate our thinking and behavior. Might be worth considering.

Dear friends,

This is quite an interesting paragraph. It brings to mind the following questions:

Is the mind a useless function with no useful purpose?

Are there any useful programs?

Can we simply drop the programs and be who we truly are?

When we discover who we truly are cannot we still use our mind to accomplish functions used within our life and work?

How to be fully present and still use our minds?

Hmm?

May peace and peace and peace be everywhere.

Subject: Re: Control and Manipulation

From: ejLight@Light-Mission.org (E.J.)

Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 15:08:30 GMT

Greetings Victor, you wrote: ->This is quite an interesting paragraph. It brings to mind the ->following questions:

A Clear unfettered mind unincumbered by conditioned arising thoughts, I trust {8->

->Is the mind a useless function with no useful purpose?

Indeed not, the mind is our operating system by which we function whether it be carrying out the mundane activity of picking up an alms bowl to complex problem solving. The mind is simply the mind doing what the mind does. Though we say "conditioned mind" the mind is not conditioned, but rather running conditioned programs. The mind does not consider that the programs are conditioned, it simply runs what programs are there to run. By emptying the mind of it's contents, by Silencing the programs, the mind just sits there in *idol* mode -- it is called the Meditative Mind. Though, the mind can be no more meditative than it can be conditioned, it is just that it is not running programs for it has no programs to run. Though the body is a marvelous mechanism with a cellular molecular memory of it's own, the body all but ceases to function if we were to remove the mind. And why would we want to remove the mind, it is a Wondrous operating system. And much needed to Directly Experience whatever IS the Moment. It took us millions of years to Evolve/Involve this tool, it surely is to be of use.

->Are there any useful programs?

Of course, all programs are useful unless they prevent us from Seeing our True Nature. That is, prevent us from BEing our True Nature of Infinite Awareness/Understanding because it's Realization/Recognition is thwarted in some way. An example being the program of *learning*. Learning how to read, learning what the words mean, learning how to put that information together to make sense of the information. A needed program I would say. Yet the program of *belief* dictates the meaning of the words in our leaning and thereby dictates the resulting sense of the information learned. This belief program establishes a predictable pattern of thinking and behavior, which can be controlled and manipulated. This belief program prevents us from Seeing the Whole meaning of the words and Whole resulting sense of the information learned. A defiling corrupting program to say the least. Awareness/Understanding is that we allow the words and the resulting sense in information to reveal meaning to us rather than us project some conditioned meaning into/onto it.

->Can we simply drop the programs and be who we truly are?

Yes, but a most arduous and Painful task for once the conditioned programs have been set up, or are initiated like a virus, there is Hell to pay trying to eradicate them. And even when the main program is deleted there is the residue potential still in the cracks and takes time for a Clean sweep of the operating system folder. Not only that, but we are bombarded every second with further junk mail (conditioned programs) that we have to keep deleting without setting them up. Oh yes, we catch glimpses of Awakening between thoughts (between programs) but that is just the True Nature's way of teasing us. When you can *hold that Moment* (so to speak), maintain being IN the Moment from Moment to Moment continuously, the mind is not running the conditioned programs because they are no longer there.

->When we discover who we truly are cannot we still use our mind to ->accomplish functions used within our life and work?

Yes. Noted above.

->How to be fully present and still use our minds?

IN the Moment, present IN the present, no arising thoughts of past or future, no anticipation, just embracing the Moment anew AS it IS, the mind is in idol mode just embracing What-IS, utterly and helplessly in Love with All that IS. Not unconsciously but rather thoughtlessly. In embracing the Moment anew we must function and/or respond in/within/as whatever IS that Moment so the mind opens information files and makes them available to us so that we can do what must be done that instant Moment. We are not just an *observer* but an observer observing the observed observing -- we ARE that Moment we observe. You see, we need the operating system, we just do not need it to run programs that are unnecessary clutter IN the Moment. So it boils down to either the conditioned programs are in control or our thinking and behavior or our True Nature is, and both use the same operating system. Further, the two are not compatible and the one that over rides the other is the one we give impetus to. As long as we cling to the cherished beloved conditioned programs the True Nature just sits dormant. "If you want to know the realm of buddhahood, you must make your mind as clear as empty space. Leave false thinking and all grasping far behind, causing your mind to be unobstructed wherever it may turn. The realm of buddhahood is not some external world where there is a formal "Buddha." It's the realm of the wisdom of a self-awakened sage." -- Zen Master Ta-hui

->Hmm?

*Deep Bow* A good start, question every thought and every action that you have held near and dear all these years. You might be surprised at what Dorian Grey's some of those programs have made of us.

BE Well and above all BE Mindful.

Subject: Re: Who and What

From: Sharlene <Sharlene@Light-Mission.org>

Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 07:52:16 -0800

Hi Gary, you wrote:

>Dear E.J.. > Thank you for the wonderful posting. I have saved it for re-reading >... when my brains cells are more functional and better able to absorb >"its" full content/intent.

Nice to see you. Was wondering where you were.

> Although I am up and about, the cough persists and is most >uncomfortable. The doctors are saying that this strain of flu will >remain longer with people (such as myself) who take the preventative >hypo every year! Nice to know ... eh!

Seems we are in the same boat. It's been 8 days for me now. Don't recall having such a bug before. The usual ten day thing isn't working. Never heard that reason before though, and have not found that to be the case. What I have found is that those who never had the shot, end up with fever and sore achy body a long with it and those that had it, do not.

> To Wombat, Jacquie and Sharlene ... thanks for keeping the 'home >fire' burning. Am appreciative of your postings.

Had a bit of a crisis the other evening. Had what could have been a tragic fire in the basement if went unnoticed. Waiting to see if it was a wake up call or not.

>For the moment (until I >am feeling better, and completely rid of this bug), I shall take on the >role of the 'lurker' ... a difficult character to play <G>

I can only imagine the restraint involved but I can relate to the lack of energy. Ha. Get well soon Gary. Love Shar

Subject: re:sides

From: Jacquie Weller <Well333@turbonet.com>

Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 14:23:03 -0800

not take sides....not take sides....not take sides.

i read this in a ray of light....and all else is forgot but "we don't need to take sides, or we don't have to take sides, or awakening there is no side to take....for such thing is the cause of all wars, dissagreements, arguments, so on infinitude...now last night the words echoed in a dreamless sleep i had....do not take sides....so when i read something that has two sides i go neutral and say nothing.... jacquie snowflake

Subject: The Flu

From: Sharlene <Sharlene@Light-Mission.org>

Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 18:48:47 -0800

Pam, Glad you are feeling better. I was hoping to feel better in a few days and you say it can go on for weeks..........yikes... My daughter is having a relapse of it. Back in bed, no voice, runny nose and sneezes again. Gotta be chemical warfare and we are pigeons for the experiments. Someone mentioned chem trails, but I am not familiar with them. Anyone else know something more than the name like me?

Subject: Re: Who and What

From: "Pam's E-Mail" <elkk@ucinet.com>

Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 14:01:08 -0800

Gary- I myself am just finishing up with a month of flu. Missed three weeks of work altogether. It's a persistent little bugger. Take care and get well soon. We all enjoy your posts.

Subject: Thank you!

From: "Gary L. Rocha" <glr@home.com>

Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 18:12:19 -0700

Hi Everyone! Thanks bunches for your response ... doing as well as expected. Still a little wobbly on the legs and upstairs <G>

(((Love)))

Subject: flu seansonings

From: Jacquie Weller <Well333@turbonet.com>

Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 10:56:27 -0800

awake ...ing

"snap, cracke and pop" Rice Chrispies awakening on the tongue...

hey guys why is the flu a bug and not a beetle...

cause we have been conditioned to think like bugs....

now i am just dying to get out of this snowgirl costumn...tee hee. glad to hear from you Gary and it is strange for me not to cough since i use to do it everyday...course hope you feel better...now why is it that chicken soup cures so many sickenessessssss....cause the bugs don't like

chicken...

Subject: Re: Control and Manipulation

From: Victor Torrico <vtorrico@cfw.com>

Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 21:35:04 -0500

Quoting E.J. <ejLight@Light-Mission.org>:

> > VT -> Can we simply drop the programs and be who we truly are? > > EJ -> Yes, but a most arduous and Painful task for once the conditioned > programs have been set up, or are initiated like a virus, there is Hell to > pay trying to eradicate them. And even when the main program is deleted > there is the residue potential still in the cracks and takes time for a > Clean sweep of the operating system folder. Not only that, but we are > bombarded every second with further junk mail (conditioned programs) that > we have to keep deleting without setting them up. Oh yes, we catch > glimpses of Awakening between thoughts (between programs) but that is just > the True Nature's way of teasing us. When you can *hold that Moment* (so > to speak), maintain being IN the Moment from Moment to Moment continuously, > the mind is not running the conditioned programs because they are no longer > there. >

Is it that the conditioned programs are no longer there? Might it not be that they are still arising but no longer capturing our attention and energy and therefore they have no power to move us to action? Everything seems to arise, exist for a while, and then fade away does it not? If we simply observe this and do not act where is the power of that which arises? Is not this an example of the impermanence of thought? I would agree that during the interval between two thoughts there are no conditioned programs running. But would you agree that it is only in the grasping, desiring or judging of that represented by the thought is where the problem lies? If there is no grasping, desiring or judging how can there be a problem? In thoughts needed in ones occupation or profession or in mundane matters like washing the dishes or in learning a skill there need be no grasping, desiring or judging.

Who's in control here: Do we control our mind or does it control us?

Are we present from moment-to-moment or are we distracted?

Searching for truth,

Subject: Re: Control and Manipulation

From: "Pam's E-Mail" <elkk@ucinet.com>

Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 19:01:30 -0800

>When you can *hold that Moment* (so > to speak), maintain being IN the Moment from Moment to Moment continuously, > the mind is not running the conditioned programs because they are no longer > there. > > IN the Moment, present IN the present, no arising thoughts of past or > future, no anticipation, just embracing the Moment anew AS it IS, the mind > is in idol mode just embracing What-IS, utterly and helplessly in Love with > All that IS. Not unconsciously but rather thoughtlessly. >

E.J.-

Can you do this? If so, how long have you been able to do it?

Subject: toxins and man

From: Jacquie Weller <Well333@turbonet.com>

Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 20:32:57 -0800

Re: chem trials

I live in Northern Idaho in Potlatch where there is also an unusual amount of people dying of cancers and also M.S....

lots of spraying going on here also with low flying aircraft, yet I never heard of what you related E.J....but would not surprise me.

Also it all could be related to the three legged frogs and strange anomolies in our lakes, rivers, swamps and so forth also. Course the most toxic stuff I put in my lungs had been the cigarrettes that contain tons of other chemicals besides the nicotine and tar that I no longer inhale anymore, or eat....I think one day we will all have to die so this planet can cleanse itself of all these toxins...and as long as man keeps infecting itself and its environment with all its excess, greed and industrialization....well who knows....

now this organ earth will again be healthy again when ????....left alone.

Subject: Re: The Flu

From: ejLight@Light-Mission.org (E.J.)

Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 03:05:50 GMT

Greetings Sharlene, you wrote: ->Gotta be chemical warfare and we are pigeons for the experiments. ->Someone mentioned chem trails, but I am not familiar with them. Anyone else ->know something more than the name like me?

Here is an interview I received a while ago. Do not know what to make of it yet. .....................................................................

Subject: Chemtrails In Different Places. (Northern Idaho)

REDDEN: What about the current controversy over chemtrails - the theory that airplanes are spraying the population with some kind of chemical or biological weapon. As I understand it, a number of researchers believe that many of the contrails in the skies these days are not the normal contrails formed by high-flying jets, but are actually trails of chemical or biological agents which spread out and then fall on the earth. Could this mycoplasma be transmitted to the population through chemtrails?

HOROWITZ: I don't relate it to the chemtrails. I don't believe that this particular organism could be suitably spread that way. But I believe the chemtrails are responsible for a chemical intoxication of the public, which would then cause a general immune suppression, low grade to high grade, depending on exposure. An immune dysfunction, which would then allow people to become susceptible to opportunistic infections, such as this mycoplasma and other opportunistic infections.

REDDEN: So you believe that high-flying planes are, in fact, spraying something on the population - that the theory is real?

HOROWITZ: There's no question that it's real. There's no doubt about that. I first began to investigate chemtrails when some were sprayed over my home in northern Idaho. I took pictures of them, and then contacted the Environmental Prote-tion Agency of the state. When I contacted their directors, they were clueless and referred me to the Air Fo-ce. They then got me in touch with Centers for Disease Control To-icology, and after about a week I received a letter from one of their chief toxicologists saying, indeed there was some amount of ethylene dibromide in the jet fuel. Now, ethylene dibromide is a known human chemical carcinogen that was removed from unleaded gasoline because of its ca-cer-causing effects. Now suddenly it has appeared in the jet fuel that apparently high-altitude mili-ary aircraft are emitting.

REDDEN: Why has ethylene dibromide been added to jet fuel?

HOROWITZ: When you examine who owns the fuel, who are the fuel company directors, suddenly you enter into the realm of the Roc-efeller family and the royal families - Sta-dard Oil and Bri-ish Petroleum. And what are their other agendas? Suddenly now you see their documents, showing that they have funded, historically, eugenics, ra-ial hygiene, genocide, depopulation, family planning, maternal and child health - where they make and deliver vaccines, and contam-nated blood supplies. These are the ban-sters, the same people who run the blood ba-king as well as the money ban-ing industries. In both Emerging Viruses and Healing Codes, I reference a great book by Dr. John Coleman, who worked as a British S-cret Service agent at the highest levels. And he articulated very clearly who was running those companies. It all goes back, ultimately, to the highest level of the royal family. The B--h family, Ro-hschild family, the Ro-kefeller money, and the entire Roc-efeller establishment is based on Ro-hschild money and royal families. So you begin to then, at least, put forward a possible theory, that if you can't explain it rationally and any other way, I think you've got to begin to consider conspiracy theories. And once you eliminate the negative label that you've placed on conspiracy theories per se, because that's been demonized, as has the terms wholistic medicine, wholistic health -

REDDEN: Naturopathic -

HOROWITZ: Naturopathy. I mean these labels get placed and as soon as they do, you know, it begins to wave red flags and people avoid those things. But, you know, when you really just define a conspiracy as is defined in Websters, as two or more people getting together behind closed doors covertly and planning something unethical, immoral, illegal and then carrying it out, that's a conspiracy. So that's now what you're looking at, at the highest levels. You're looking at decision-makers who have, for whatever reasons, decided to put this toxic waste into jet fuels for human exposure, what ultimately's going to be human exposure. And it just so happens that these same people have put a lot of money into reducing world populations. So now you ask yourself, when it comes to testing human subjects like American citizens unwittingly, unwillingly, who sprays toxins out of airplanes over San Francisco, kills people that way, who sprays biologicals on the Pennsylvania turnpike that induce death? Who has done that historically, as clearly particulated in the Frank Church con-ressional hearings of 1975, has been Central Inte-ligence Agency biological weapons contracting firms, such as Li-ton Bionetics, such as the Ar-y Corp of Engineers when they were developing and utilizing these various biologicals. And this is all done under b-ack operations, covert operations, where they get funding and cong-essional people are never informed really where this money is going. It's the bl-ck budget.

REDDEN: As I understand it, this is not just an American epidemic, but it's gone across Europe -

HOROWITZ: That's right. And so have the chemtrails. I've got colleagues over there, I've got colleagues in the Bahamas, Bermuda, Toronto, British Columbia all reporting the same bizarre seeding of the atmosphere. It's horrible. What is going on is just despicable.

REDDEN: One reason I'm interested in this subject is, I personal know three people who had the exact same thing happen to them. First they came down with flu-like symptoms which didn't go away. Then they went to the doctor, and the doctor said their flu had developed into a bacterial infection and we can give you antibiotics for that. Then they were all given a brand new antibiotic they had never taken before, and they all had serious allergic reactions.

HOROWITZ: Right. Isn't that fascinating?

REDDEN: What happened to them?

HOROWITZ: OK, that's a great question. I'm glad you asked that because I should have mentioned it before. What you're looking at with this upper respiratory infection is that it is a multi-factorial illness. It's associated with a variety of chemical and biological co-factors. Just like with A-DS, it's not the AI-S virus that ultimately kills, it's co-factor microbes such as the mycoplasma. What you have could be described as an ideal Russian biological cocktail. And I suppose it's called Russia biological cocktail because the Americans likely invented it. What they determined would be the best biological chemical warfare approach was a combination of chemicals and biologicals, so that it would be very difficult to diagnose and then treat the illnesses. Moreover, it would be very difficult to trace where they came from. If you've got, say, ethylene dibromide coming out of the jet fuels that is causing immune suppression and weakening your immune system, and then you've got a mycoplasma microbe or a fungus that causes an upper respiratory illness, suddenly you develop a secondary bacterial infection. Now you get hit with antibiotics, and the antibiotics cause your body chemistry to go acidic, so now you get rashes and other things, your liver gets full of toxins and comes out through your skin in rashes and they get hyperallergenic reactions associated with the other chemicals. So all of a sudden now, you realize that you've got a human being who is completely out of balance and infected by two, three or four microbial co-factors as well as intoxicated by a variety of different chemicals.

REDDEN: A point of clarification. Are You saying that the fungus is working with the chemtrails and the antibiotic to make people sick?

HOROWITZ. Exactly. And you've got somebody who's going to be chronically ill. And in the contemporary wa-fare arena, where experts in biological chemical warfare convene and discuss the ways that are ideal to conduct -arfare today, to really take an enemy out, you don't want to k-ll the people. You want to produce people who are chronically ill and become dependent on the state and totally sap the resources of the country. And then you can move in further with your mil-tary-medic-l-industrial complex, your international med-cal-pharmaceutical cartel. And then you sell these beleaguered and defeated countries all of the pharmaceuticals and chemicals that they need to maintain any semblance of healthy function.

REDDEN: So you've got a work force that can work, but they're too tired after they finish working to -

HOROWITZ: That's exactly it. They're completely depleted. They can't put together a mi-itary, you create a dependence and thereby you weaken the population, and weakened populations are easily to control. So you've got population control, and you make vast fortunes doing it, versus just blowing up a nuclear weapon and devastating the infrastructure that you own. You and your colleagues own that infrastructure. You want to get rid of the people. You don't want to get rid of infrastructure. What I'm relating to you now is not speculation. If you were to read the top experts analysis of mil-tary wa-fare, such as what is articulated in The Rep-rt >From Iron Mountain, which even the authorities, they say that this is a hoax, a satire, but, you know, there's nothing funny about it. The propaganda, the spin that they put on it is that the document is a satire. But when you read it, there's nothing funny about it.

REDDEN: That's true.

HOROWITZ: For example, in the book Healing Codes for the Bi-lical Apocalypse I reprint the entire summary section and recommendations of the book Iron Mountain. And then you go into Chapter 12 and you learn what the most advanced ideology is for wa-fare in the 21st Century and it is what I'm telling you. It is a replacement for the standard mi-itary wa-fare that we've been accustomed to for centuries.

Subject: Re: Control and Manipulation

From: ejLight@Light-Mission.org (E.J.)

Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 04:46:01 GMT

Greetings Victor, you wrote: ->Is it that the conditioned programs are no longer there? Might it not ->be that they are still arising but no longer capturing our attention and ->energy and therefore they have no power to move us to action?

Pesky critters to get rid of, are they not ? We can rationalize the condition of conditioned programs every way but loose, which is why we still have them. That is why so few Teachers confront them directly, though they do address them in passing. Perhaps they can not bring themselves to let go of them either. "If thine eye offend thee, pluck it out". My question would be, why juggle with arising conditioned thoughts when it would be more efficient to just get rid of them in the first place. AGAIN, the conditioned program can do absolutely nothing on it's own, it needs an operating system (the mind) to run it. And the mind, being the efficient worker it is, is going to run it if it is there (arising conditioned thoughts). It is the greatest battle of our life, and it is painful, but if we do not let go of our conditioned notions (conditioned programs) they will plague us all the way to the grave and prevent us from Truly Awakening in the mean time.

->Everything seems to arise, exist for a while, and then fade away does ->it not?

*Deep Bow*

-> If we simply observe this and do not act where is the power of ->that which arises?

How Clear the observation when founded on/in/as conditioned ideas and images and meanings and notions of all sorts ? There is a built-in Blind-spot with conditioned observations, they overlook the conditioned program and treat it as nothing of importance.

-> Is not this an example of the impermanence of thought?

Indeed all is impermanent, even thoughts. Thoughts arise and fade away, come and go, and continue the vicious cycle of rising and falling because their life span coincides with your's. Every Sage since Adam has repeatedly told us that we can not get to where we say we want to go lugging the baggage of our conditionings around with us. Yet, we still lug the baggage around listening to what our conditioned program dictates us to listen to and skip the unpleasant stuff. Starting with the Rishis over 25,000 years ago there have been many a Wise Sage try to Help us, and after all this time we still just listen to what we are programmed to listen to. We still lug around the baggage.

->I would agree that during the interval between two thoughts there are no ->conditioned programs running.

Is that not a clue that when the mind is between changing programs, that there are no programs being run, and so by letting go of some programs the interval might be extended ?

->But would you agree that it is only in ->the grasping, desiring or judging of that represented by the thought is ->where the problem lies?

I agree that the grasping and/or desiring and/or judging dictated by the conditioned program is the Suffering, but the Cause of the Suffering is the conditioned program. We have been trying to band-aid the Suffering for hundreds of thousands of years and we still Suffer. Is that not a clue to us that we must address the Cause of the Suffering and not just the Suffering ?

-> If there is no grasping, desiring or judging how ->can there be a problem?

If there is no grasping and desiring and judging there is no problem because there would be no conditioned program (such as when the mind is between changing programs). Though we may be able to suppress it from time to time, as long as there is a conditioned program on file in the modus operandi, the grasping and the desiring and the judgement will continue to arise. We can wear the Superman suit in public, but when we get home the 'S' has to come off when we look in the mirror. We can fool ourself about some things all the time, and fool ourself about most all things some of the time, but we can not continue to fool ourself about everything all the time.

-> In thoughts needed in ones occupation or ->profession or in mundane matters like washing the dishes or in learning ->a skill there need be no grasping, desiring or judging.

Of course not. In the example offered there is no need for grasping or desiring or judging because it may not be part of the program. AGAIN, not all programs are toxic conditioned programs that Veil our Awakening. Though any form of leaning is conditioned, if it does not get between us and our Awakening it is not a program we would want to let go of. Just the programs that control and manipulate our thinking and behavior away from Awakening.

->Who's in control here: Do we control our mind or does it control us?

Neither. The mind just runs programs, and we just go along with the show. The toxic conditioned program does the controlling and manipulating. And who would be in control if we get rid of the toxic conditioned programs ? Nothing would control, and we would be forced to embrace the Moment As it IS from Moment to Moment. Totally insecure, totally impermanent. Scary, no ?

->Are we present from moment-to-moment or are we distracted?

Ideally, I would say, that we should be IN the Present IN the Moment from Moment to Moment. BUT web are always distracted by the toxic conditioned programs that we lug around in our baggage.

"Disciples as numerous as grains of sand in the River Ganges, not one has gained enlightenment; they err in seeking it as a path taught by others. To eliminate form and eradicate its traces, make utmost effort and strive diligently to walk in nothingness." - Tung-shan Liang-chieh

Subject: Re: Control and Manipulation

From: ejLight@Light-Mission.org (E.J.)

Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 05:19:53 GMT

Greetings Pam, you wrote: ->> IN the Moment, present IN the present, no arising thoughts of past or ->> future, no anticipation, just embracing the Moment anew AS it IS, the mind ->> is in idol mode just embracing What-IS, utterly and helplessly in Love ->with ->> All that IS. Not unconsciously but rather thoughtlessly. > -> ->E.J.- -> ->Can you do this? If so, how long have you been able to do it?

Can I do what ? I do nothing. The statement that I made was not something that I do, but rather that which IS. That is not something that can be done, but rather simply a state of BEing the Present and BEing the Moment from Moment to Moment. When you try to do it, what you have is that which ISNOT. When we stay out of the past because it is gone and stay out of the future because it is not yet, we are left stranded IN/AS the Present Moment -- speechless, thoughtless, helpless, less everything. If I had to put it in a word it would be: .

How long ? This Moment. "No beginning to practice, no end to enlightenment; No beginning to enlightenment, no end to practice. Here is the place; from here the Way unfolds." -- Dogen

Subject: Re: Control and Manipulation

From: "Pam's E-Mail" <elkk@ucinet.com>

Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 07:15:06 -0800

> Can I do what ? I do nothing. The statement that I made was not > something that I do, but rather that which IS. That is not something that > can be done, but rather simply a state of BEing the Present and BEing the > Moment from Moment to Moment. When you try to do it, what you have is > that which ISNOT. When we stay out of the past because it is gone and > stay out of the future because it is not yet, we are left stranded IN/AS > the Present Moment -- speechless, thoughtless, helpless, less everything.

Good point. It take awhile to recognize the conditioning doesn't it. I mean, it happens in segments according to what we become aware of. Thanks E.J.

Subject: Re: Chemtrails

From: "Gary L. Rocha" <glr@home.com>

Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 02:18:45 -0700

That is when mankind steals center stage from Mother/Father Nature and "thinks" to control that which is not "controllable" when virtue that, that which IS ..... IS! I suspect that many more AGE (change) will take place before our learned scientist, economists, leaders and all those that pull the puppeteer's string will *realize* that puppets are a figment of one's imagination ... not REAL! Pinochio(s) we are not ... despite the appearance <G>

Subject: sides and pretending

From: Jacquie Weller <Well333@turbonet.com>

Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 09:06:30 -0800

In regard to "take no sides" which echoes on, I am about to watch the Play Offs....football that is. Now I am pretending to have a side, else why play the game. Yet, I forget sometimes that I am on a side when I see a brilliant play from the so called make believe enemy...I even admire that 50 yd. pass....and that 80 yd. dash. Then after a time I am the football player grabbing my knee and limping off the field and the silence that hangs in the air after a player doesn't get up. Then in a moment, I am the skin on the football that once was a pig suckling its Mother. Strange world. All the long I am pretending to be a fan of the Okland Raiders and the Vikings while someone else is pretending to be a fan of the Ravens and the Giants....now pretending is fine as long as you know its pretending but some forget the game and go nutz and rage and destroy and get tangled up in something called pride or ego or simply inflation....now myself I know that I like competition and such and even don't mind the violence in football....but of course i am just a snow flake jacquie and pretending to be a goal post and a referee on Saturday Afternoon... Thanks E.J. for not putting me into the safe room today and laughing along with me. jacqu i e pig skin

Subject: Re: Control and Manipulation

From: ejLight@Light-Mission.org (E.J.)

Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 17:06:01 GMT

Greetings Pam, you wrote: ->Good point. It take awhile to recognize the conditioning doesn't it. I ->mean, it happens in segments according to what we become aware of. Thanks ->E.J.

*Deep Bow* As linearly dualistic as it sounds, yes, it takes time not only to Recognize our conditioned notions but also to root them out. The Path of Awakening is spontaneously gradual or gradually spontaneous (whichever you prefer). That is, each conditioned notion we see an *Aha* occurs (Ah, that is why ......), and therefore when we let it go a Clarity of What-IS occurs (Ah, that is .......). Aha by Aha, Insight by Insight, step by step, the Whole vision of What-IS Unfolds. Awakening is a verb, a continuous Unfolding of Awareness/Understanding -- a continuous UnVeiling of our True Nature. But first we have to admit to ourself that we are programmed robots thinking and doing what we are conditioned to think and do. Then we have to pick up the Sword of Truth and go Seeking out those pesky conditioned notions and Slay them with the Sword of Truth. The True Seeker is not the seeker of Wisdom and Truth and Reality, but rather the Seeker of the Slayer so the Slayer can be Slain. For the Slayer of Truth and Reality is our conditioned notions, the Causes of our Suffering. The True Seeker is a Warrior in his own right, for he is in constant Battle with a most worthy adversary the Grand Trickster the conditioned mind.

And once the Slayer is Slain we can sheath the Sword of Truth, ready to draw it at any time, still holding the Shield of Truth, we can focus our Attention on/in/as the Truth and Reality we have UnVeiled by Slaying the Slayer and no more Attention on/in/as the Seeker. For then there is no longer a need for the Seeker. So you see, as True Seekers we Seek out and Destroy our conditioned notions and Truth and Reality manifests in/as the Unfolded True Nature that we ARE. This is the misguidance of most, they *think* they are Seekers of Truth and Reality. Seekers of Truth and Reality only find their own projected conditioned notions. Yet Seekers of their conditioned notions Realize True and Reality by Slaying these Slayers of Truth and Reality. If we do not Seek out our conditioned notions we will not See them and therefore do not root them out.

Openly and Honestly hold every thought up to the Mirror of Truth and Openly and Honestly accept the defilement it may be. If a defilement of our True Nature let it go regardless of the Pain to do so. THAT is your Salvation, and you yourself are the only one who can do it. Others can Point to the Path but you yourself must Walk the Way. YOU are your Savior. An arduous and painful and thankless undertaking, but if you want to enjoy the Rainbow you are going to have to put up with the Rain.

Subject: Re: toxins and man

From: "Sangamon United Martial Arts" <edneal@fgi.net>

Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 02:21:14 -0600

FYI...

Toxin Might Hurt Endangered Whales

Updated 6:43 PM ET January 13, 2001 MONTEREY, Calif. (AP) - The same algae bloom toxin that killed more than 50 sea lions in Monterey Bay two years ago now could be harming the endangered humpback and blue whales, researchers say. The most recent bloom last summer has entered the whales' food chain in the Monterey Bay region--affecting anchovies, sardines and krill, said Mary Silver, professor of ocean sciences at the University of California at Santa Cruz.

Silver said the toxin, called domoic acid, has not yet been linked to any whale deaths, but she said scientists are tracking the problem.

"We know the toxin enters the food web and poses a threat to large marine mammals and seabirds," she told the Monterey County Herald.

The sea lion deaths tied to domoic acid two years ago were the first known fatalities from the substance among marine mammals, the newspaper said. When the toxin appeared in anchovies and sardines over the summer, officials banned their harvest for human consumption.

Domoic acid attacks the nervous system. In humans it can lead to a loss of short-term memory and other neurological and gastrointestinal disorders. In extreme cases, it can lead to death.

Subject: Re: Control and Manipulation

From: "Gary L. Rocha" <glr@home.com>

Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 01:57:03 -0700

> Searching for truth, > > Victor >

Truth is not to be found, for it was never "lost" .... it can only be r e a l i z ed, for one has forgotten what IS TRUTH, by *IT* being obscured with the veil of condition we are forced to don during the process of *growing/maturing* from infant (at birth) to adulthood and/or moment of the physical discarding of one's body at the moment of passing on. When *realized* (and once again recognized Tuth makes) one scared for then there is nothing to cling onto as we (humans) have been trained/conditioned like the monkey on the musical box to perform on command. To "believe otherwise" takes much courage and fortitude and constant *awareness* so one does not "slip back" to the old conditioned mind-set of yesteryear! The *toxic* child within has been so debilitated by the lies about Truth (which is Light) ... he/she cowers in the darkness of one's shadow, too afraid to "come out" and be seen in the Light of Truth .... fully exposed and vulnerable (so conditioned to think) To overcome this *fear* is the requirement to shift from the *sleeping* state to the *awakened* state (and remain!). So the *work*/*learning* (for the sake of speech) is to live in LOVE/LIGHT ... and not in "fear"! AND .... that is what's meant by "do nothing". Simply ... let go the programmed conditioning. Easier said than done!!!!!!! Although not impossible .....mankind is the creator of "problems".

(((Love))) Gary

PS: Not too well articulated .... but I trust everyone gets the "drift"!

Subject: Putting things into perspective

From: ejLight@Light-Mission.org (E.J.)

Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 00:44:13 GMT

Greetings Community,

I know we all have seen this a zillion times, but it was sent to me and I think it worth seeing again. Just helps one to Remember sometimes just how lucky we all are.

------<start quote>------------ Putting things into perspective:

If we could shrink the earth's population to a village of precisely 100 people, with all the existing human ratios remaining the same, it would look something like the following.

There would be:

57 Asians 21 Europeans 14 from the Western Hemisphere, both north and south 8 Africans

52 would be female 48 would be male

70 would be non-white 30 would be white

70 would be non-Christian 30 would be Christian

89 would be heterosexual 11 would be homosexual

6 people would possess 59% of the entire world's wealth and all 6 would be from the United States.

80 would live in substandard housing

70 would be unable to read

50 would suffer from malnutrition

1 would be near death; 1 would be near birth

1 (yes, only 1) would have a college education

1 would own a computer

When one considers our world from such a compressed perspective, the need for both acceptance, understanding and education becomes glaringly apparent.

The following is also something to ponder... If you woke up this morning with more health than illness...you are more blessed than the million who will not survive this week.

If you have never experienced the danger of battle, the loneliness of imprisonment, the agony of torture, or the pangs of starvation ... you are ahead of 500 million people in the world.

If you can attend a church meeting without fear of harassment, arrest, torture, or death...you are more blessed than three billion people in the world.

If you have food in the refrigerator, clothes on your back, a roof overhead and a place to sleep...you are richer than 75% of this world.

If you have money in the bank, in your wallet, and spare change in a dish someplace...you are among the top 8% of the world's wealthy.

If your parents are still alive and still married...you are very rare, even in the United States and Canada.

If you hold up your head with a smile on your face and are truly thankful...you are blessed because the majority can, but most do not.

If you can hold someone's hand, hug them, or even touch them on the shoulder...you are blessed because you can offer healing touch.

If you can read this message, you just received a double blessing in that someone was thinking of you, and furthermore, you are more blessed than over two billion people in the world that cannot read at all.

Subject: A practice

From: Victor Torrico <vtorrico@cfw.com>

Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 09:09:58 -0500

Dear E.J.,

This is a practice I beleive that Joyce Short, a Canadian Buddhist practitioner, gave to me a while back. Your comments appreciated.

In peace and friendship, Victor

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

The Only Practice

Get comfortable and let mind and body really relax - no need to sit in any strict meditation position - relaxed in a comfy chair is fine.

Locate awareness in space and then put attention on the breath flowing in and out quite naturally.

After a few minutes, cease to focus on any particular object and practice "choiceless awareness", simply observing whatever objects arise and pass in Awareness. Notice the following about each object:

It is impermanent It has no existence apart from Awareness, Itself. Being a form of Awareness, it is transparent to it.

1. Without fixing attention on anything, just consider:

is there awareness of sights? is there awareness of sounds? is there awareness of sensations? Is there awareness of thoughts? is there awareness of feelings? Tastes? Etc.

This very Awareness which is right here now, IS that eternal, self luminous Reality that you have been striving to realize all along. Since this Awareness is already here, your striving is unnecessary.

2. Abandon all concepts about experience and simply observe.

See how appearances arise in Awareness. Since whatever appears is already present, how can it be avoided?

See how appearances pass in Awareness. Since whatever has passed is no longer present, how can it be grasped?

See how everything appears in Awareness without the least obstruction. Since nothing obstructs appearances, there are no obstacles to be removed.

See how everything passes in Awareness without the least hindrance. Since everything is self-liberating, there is nothing to be set free.

Relax into this effortless contemplation of how things actually are.

3. Without making any adjustments, continue to observe:

Although you say, "forms arise in Awareness," can you really separate Awareness from its forms? is not Awareness like an ocean and forms its waves?

Because Awareness and forms are ultimately inseparable, duality never existed. How then can it be transcended?

Although you say, "I am aware of such and such object," can you truly distinguish between yourself and the object? Where does 'self" end and "object" begin?

Because subject and object are, in reality, indistinguishable, delusion never originated. How then can it be dispelled?

4. Look! reality is staring you in the face:

You say you cannot eliminate your 'self' but there is no self to eliminate.

You say you have not attained "Enlightenment" but there is not the slightest thing to attain.

you say, "I am ignorant of my true identity." but how can this be? What else is there besides this infinite, eternal, non dual field of Awareness-and -form which is alreadty present, right here and now....and now...and now.....

Therefore, surrender all desire for attainment and just be what you are" Awareness, Itself!

Do not grasp anything, do not reject anything...be whatever is. "Enlightement" is not a place in which to settle, nor is 'Gnosis' a state that needs to be maintained. All experiences, all feelings, all states-whether mundane or sacred are by their very nature transient and ephemeral. Without maing an attempt to either hold on or push them away, simple remain identified with awareness, Itself and continue to practice effortlessly.

By practicing effortless contemplation you will develop the realization that the self is empty of any inherent existence. Thus, while objects continue to appear in Awareness, the delusion that they are being experienced by some'one' will subside. This state of profound selflessness or Awarenesss-without-a-subject is often a prelude to full awakening. What is missing is the complimentary realization that not only does the 'self' lack any inherent existence, but so do objects. Consequently, as long as objects seem to exist in their own right there is no Gnosis. However, if you remain in the state of Awareness-without-a-subject then as Awareness-without-an-object finally dawns, you will realize that the now vanished objects were, in themselves, only imaginary projections of this objectless Awareness. Furthermore, you will realize that your own Awareness-without-a-subject is, in fact, indistinguishable from (and thus identical to) Awareness-without-an-object. In other words, you will directly and simultaneously apprehend not only the True nature of your "self" but the true Nature of all 'objects" and 'worlds' - which is to say, Awareness-without-an-object-and-without-a subject. This is the end of the Path.

Subject: Re: The Flu

From: "Vinny Amador" <vinny@angelreiki.nu>

Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 23:54:27 -0600

Hi Shar, EJ, and All;

I see I am not the only one with the flu. My kids got this and Anthony had it for over a month. The tickle in the brochial tubes leads to a lot of coughing. (Why is it a tickle anyway, is it funny? :)

I think germ warfare too, sounds plausable.

Take gentle care all;

Vinny

Subject: Chemtrail Web Site

From: ejLight@Light-Mission.org (E.J.)

Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 20:16:42 GMT

Greetings Community,

More information in on the Chemtrails.

http://www.carnicom.com/contrails.htm

I was also informed about another virus that is being mailed snail-mail at random that they do not have a cure for yet. It is said to come in a blue envelope with a message on the front about it being a gift from some foundation. This is not a computer virus, but rather a virus you get physically. I am told that if you get such an envelope to stick it in a plastic bag and call your local police department to come and pick it up. Let them check it out.

Subject: re: practice

From: Jacquie Weller <Well333@turbonet.com>

Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 08:54:01 -0800

Thankyou Victor: I really like what you contributed here.

Subject: Re: A practice

From: ejLight@Light-Mission.org (E.J.)

Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 03:24:02 GMT

Greetings Victor, you wrote: ->This is a practice I beleive that Joyce Short, a Canadian Buddhist ->practitioner, gave to me a while back. Your comments appreciated.

A fine meditation (more accurately contemplation) exercise (practice), and a credit to the lay person who gave it to you. Offering many of the tenets that we all should consider. A recommendable practice indeed. Thank you for the offering. That said, please Understand that the following is in way to slight the offering or the practice or it's source. But rather, hopefully, an Insight on given practices in general.

However, a few things to consider with any particular practice: is the practice in universal terms, what is to be accomplished by the practice, and is the practice livable. Other than the fact that your offering is not "The Only Practice" it is very Buddhist so holds little universality. Every statement in the practice except one (which I will mention later) is very True, and the fact that it is a Buddhist practice makes it most credible though other schools of thought would have trouble using this practice so is not of universal value. Especially those unfamiliar with the Buddhist school of thought. This contemplative practice is a good practice because it is a good tool for one to orient one's thinking, to actually see things as they are. Such alignment of perspective is a necessary ingredient of Awakening. And a good trainer in simple meditation. Yet the scope of contemplation is not the cure-all for Sleep, but rather a sorting of that which is True and that which is not. And in this sorting, when the programs are still installed and running, the sorting will be influenced by the programs. First we have to un-install the programs. As Tung-shan Liang-chieh has said, "Disciples as numerous as grains of sand in the River Ganges, not one has gained enlightenment; they err in seeking it as a path taught by others". When Dogen was asked by a few of his disciples what profound understanding he gained by his extensive practices he said, "my nose is vertical and my eyes are horizontal". Is there more to Understand by any practice other than to "know thyself" ? All else is actually a distraction. As I, and many others have *preached*, the meditation practice is for the sole purpose of establishing the *Meditative State of Mind* or *Meditative State of BEing*, and THEN this *Meditative State of BEing* must be emanated or manifested in every aspect of our life so it is our everyday countenance in everyday living -- THAT is the Real practice. Our Real practice is our everyday Life to be lived Moment to Moment, yet the offering said "This is the end of the Path". Which is the unTrue statement I spoke of earlier. Too often, people get so involved with a given practice that they *think* that the practice IS Awakening when actually the practice IS just the beginning of Awakening.

Again, a fine practice and a Wonderful tool and a Wonderful offering. Thank you Wonderful Friend.

Subject: Re: More "quotes to ponder"

From: "Wombat" <labl@zeelandnet.nl>

Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 13:42:49 +0100

A garden not tended struck a vibrational cord with in dear E.J. Wombat:)

Subject: Re: Control and Manipulation

From: "Wombat" <labl@zeelandnet.nl>

Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 13:56:19 +0100

A very good post! Thank you, giving a small shaking on a weekly basis keeps you heading for awake:)

Subject: Re: Who and What

From: "Wombat" <labl@zeelandnet.nl>

Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 14:07:02 +0100

Dear Shar:) Flu - You too Brutus;-)? I hope you are feeling much better, however this below I find quite distrubing, had a fire like that as a child, memory sometimes still lingers. I had already been burned severely at half that age. So love, how bad is the crisis? - you loose fav books or something or was it more of a mystery fire, like how did it get started?? Hoping things are sorted and well now -

Subject: Re: The Flu

From: "Wombat" <labl@zeelandnet.nl>

Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 15:04:19 +0100

Dear E.J. I hope I haven't breached any netiquette here, but I find this such an important post, I have posted it securely round the world to my friends so others might learn from this if they don't know as I didn't . Kindest regards to you

Subject: Re: The Flu

From: "Wombat" <labl@zeelandnet.nl>

Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 14:28:53 +0100

Nope Shar.... chem trails...duh? I used large amounts of Echinacea. As it happens I did get the shot for the Flu, but I have resolved to *never* to do this again, I felt totally depleted and strange inside. I hadn't used med's for yonks (years) and I truly can't say it helped me thru it or faster or whatever - so I think I'd just like to have my body back the way it is:) Wombat Get well at your own pace though :-))!!

Subject: Re: Who and What

From: "Wombat" <labl@zeelandnet.nl>

Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 13:36:47 +0100

Dear Gary:) It's good that you are up and about, it's a start. I had this Flu during the November month and was still getting back on my feet in December, it's very vicious. It will take you longer to get your head together than you'll like, but it is the Flu and not us diminishing ;-)) (((( love )))) 2 U -

Subject: Re: no ray today? - replying.

From: "Wombat" <labl@zeelandnet.nl>

Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 13:28:35 +0100

Dear E.J. Thank you so much for looking after my affairs. I hadn't read my newsgroups and I was reading material some dear friends sent to me. I react therefore untimely. I wish I could give you more feedback actually & also to the group here. I'll get there:)

Reading 'yesterdays' Ray... lead me down a funny path though. I was thinking about past and present and control. Lately I have this thing with *control* it's like it keeps trying to poke my eye out. I notice it strongly in some family members or perhaps I think I notice it there but it's the *large* beam in my own eye LOL :-))

Anyway, re control... no control of the past or future but perhaps in the present control of oneself. Why would a person need to have *control* of oneself? Is this not another being afraid to let go and just be, what is it a person would be controlling within yourself, something you are afraid to let out or something you are afraid to let in:)? Another thought drifted through my mind at the same time... what is love, how come when love is sometimes involved that everything flies out the window, how come all our perceptions alter almost over night... where does our good sense go, why do become blind to sometimes a certain sort of stupidity too. The *other* side is, that you seem to be able to learn so much so fast, that it would have taken years to learn in any other way.... hormonal shifts, that trigger little microscopic *don't knows* into this big learning period?? On the other side, there is also total bleakness, what I mean an absolute lack of concentration on any one particular thing. I find it all very topsy turvy, no I am not in love at present <wg> not totally madly truly ;-).... just writing down the thoughts as they bubble to the surface. Leads me to wonder, does love exist at all....and also... unconditional love seems to be the one accomplishes most and without jealousy of person. Hmmmmm Wombat:) goes on to scribble .....

Subject: Re: Control and Manipulation

From: "Wombat" <labl@zeelandnet.nl>

Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 14:24:59 +0100

Hello Victor, Someone once told me that to be in the here and now, you needed to do that in little things...this meant, do the dishes by hand thinking only of the dishes and no other thing. I always called myself a scatterbrain, had trouble focusing on one thing at a time. Now when I start getting a bit frazzled, I think of that... if you can fix your mind on one thing solely, it immediately eradicates hustle and bustle and stress. I should remember this more often :-)) to your post.... you asked some good questions recently in another post, which inspired E.J. to write an even better post than usual even.... The segment you extracted from it below, just happens to be the one I printed this afternoon, thinking if I hang it somewhere in sight I might benefit from it longer for the pointing of the finger that is:) >From the way you phrase your answer it would seem to me that you are already there or an uneven halfway ;-)... this is how I notice my own moving forward, my measuring of things within, when things no longer touch me into a frenzy as they used to, more acceptance of the flowing just being itself like. Oef does that make sense?

I don't think we control our mind, nor does our mind control us.... if we did control our mind, then why would we even need to concentrate at all, it would be there focused on one minor detail and all else would fade, however, that is rarely the case isn't it? - more so for women than for men I expect. A woman still fulfills different roles and for this reason alone I think would need to function differently. A Mother is also a woman... yet the woman will have to sit still till the Mother part has changed the nappy or given the bottle... btw I have to say I am way out of my depth here girls as I am not a Mother but from observation point of view I conclude this:)

I have noticed in men that they seem to be more torn by this, they can be father's but seem to be able oftentimes to let the *job* come first, before they allow the other part of themselves in, also I suppose society has a lot to do with this...most bosses don't like dad's getting up and going when a child takes a tumble.

We seem to be able to overrule our mind if it comes down to something like experiencing pain... you have something you need to do, when there is pain involved we seem able to *outrule* the mind and say okay I need to do this but I have pain signals and so no - not today. This is a very simple way of explaining my thoughts in regard to control of the mind, but this is the way I know how to. I hope to have supplied a little feedback here.

Subject: Re: The Flu

From: ejLight@Light-Mission.org (E.J.)

Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 14:50:24 GMT

Greetings Wombat, you wrote: ->I hope I haven't breached any netiquette here, but I find this such an ->important post, I have posted it securely round the world to my friends so ->others might learn from this if they don't know as I didn't .

By all means, spread the news about the chemtrails just in case there is something to this (though there may not be, better to be safe than sorry), AND the infamous "Blue Envelope" so called gift.

Subject: Re: Control and Manipulation

From: "Gary L. Rocha" <glr@home.com>

Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 11:00:04 -0700

Hi Wombat! Thanks for your postings. Re the subject matter - I realize it is only just *words*. My "take" on it leans more to attitude ~ placement of priorities and management. In other words - being responsible for one's self in every aspect of one's life. This doesn't "sit well" with some ~ for they find it easier to *blame* another person or the situation. It is too much work and/or effort to take action to "right what is wrong" in one's life. It also takes work to overcome *fear* - and again, it is much easier to give in to the *fear* and do nothing, then it is to overcome it and have to take action.

Subject: Re: no ray today? - replying.

From: ejLight@Light-Mission.org (E.J.)

Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 02:09:28 GMT

Greetings Wombat, you wrote: ->Anyway, re control... no control of the past or future but perhaps in the ->present control of oneself. Why would a person need to have *control* of ->oneself? Is this not another being afraid to let go and just be, what is it ->a person would be controlling within yourself, something you are afraid to ->let out or something you are afraid to let in:)?

In the Dhammapada it says, "One truly is the protector of oneself; who else could the protector be? With oneself fully controlled, one gains a mastery that is hard to gain". If there is any control of our thinking and behavior, would not it best be controlled by ourself ? We must Save ourself so we must be the controller of that Salvation. Though, it is more a matter of taking the control of our thinking and behavior back so that we are responsible for our thinking and behavior. We are controlled and manipulated by many influences in everyday life, led this way and that, it is well past time that we end the control and manipulation by these influences. In so doing, we are in control. So it is not so much a matter that we control but rather that there is no control from influences other than ourself.

->Another thought drifted through my mind at the same time... what is love, ->how come when love is sometimes involved that everything flies out the ->window, how come all our perceptions alter almost over night... where does ->our good sense go, why do become blind to sometimes a certain sort of ->stupidity too. The *other* side is, that you seem to be able to learn so ->much so fast, that it would have taken years to learn in any other way.... ->hormonal shifts, that trigger little microscopic *don't knows* into this big ->learning period??

Love does not control, emotions and desires control. Do not mistake the jump for the frog. Where there is Love there is Freedom. Where there is emotion and desire there is control. Emotions and desires are the clinging to some past, whereas Love can only BE in the very Present. Such things past are the Chains that we must let go of. When we let go of emotions we transmute to Compassion, when we let go of desires we transmute to Love. For Compassion and Love can only BE as the Moment IS. IN the Moment, there is nothing to learn nor anyone to learn it. There is just YOU and/as Compassion and/as Love. We trade in the Old for the New, the False for the Real, the Past for the Moment and BE who/what we ARE. No thrills, no frills, no rewards, just the Awesome Wonder of/as What-IS Truth/Reality.

->On the other side, there is also total bleakness, what I mean an absolute ->lack of concentration on any one particular thing. I find it all very topsy ->turvy, no I am not in love at present <wg> not totally madly truly ;-).... ->just writing down the thoughts as they bubble to the surface. Leads me to ->wonder, does love exist at all....and also... unconditional love seems to be ->the one accomplishes most and without jealousy of person. Hmmmmm Wombat:) ->goes on to scribble .....

On the other side of Infinity ? On the other side of Eternity ? What is the duration of the Moment ? Where is there to go ? No matter where you go, there you are. And there is no one where you are but you, though that is even a misnomer for we are as anew each Moment as the Moment. Thoughts arise and fall so there are many distraction, which are part and parcel of our programmed thinking and behavior. As long as the program is running, all is very conditional dictated by the program. So seeming accomplishments are merely the resulting control and manipulation of the program. So many fool themselves by *thinking* that all is well in Camelot just the way it is, though the Fire breathing Dragons still stalk the seeming Paradise. Is not our Fall from Grace when we made Two of the One ? When we separated ourself from ourself with our programs ?

Subject: Re: Control and manipulation

From: o.dodge@att.net

Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 16:41:42 +0000

Greetings Victor...I think you bring up some interesting points in your questions...

"Is it that the conditioned programs are no longer there? Might it not be that they are still arising but no longer capturing our attention and energy and therefore they have no power to move us to action?"

My contention is that you can NEVER really "dump" a conditioning -- but only alter the context in which it exists. Example:

Let's suppose you can't swim...i.e...therefore -- with our survival instinct being what it is -- you might naturally have a healthy fear of water. And such a fear could very well have a controling hold on your life. You might not want to live near a lake, or avoid going boating, or sit near a swimmiing pool, etc...

So you decide to do something about it. You decide to meditate and send this toxic conditioning to the dumpster. And over a given period of time -- perhaps years -- you feel you are successful -- because this "fear of water" has disappeared -- and the proof is, you no longer worry when you find yourself near a large body of water. You find you can sit near a swimming pool or go boating without the slightest bit of apprehension.

But then -- one day -- someone gives you a gentle, playful shove and you suddenly find yourself on the bottom of the deep end of the pool gasping for air.

My conjecture is, that you would find that you NEVER ACTUALLY did dump that "fear of water" condiitioning. Your arms would begin flailing with the best of them, and you would be scared to death. In short -- the old conditioning would return with a vengence.

So where was that old conditioning -- REALLY? I suspect suppressed -- perhaps not being used -- but non-the-less still there.

My point is this. I don't think you can ever REALLY dump a 'conditionig' -- rid yourself of it's CONTENT -- because it is deeply burned into your memory bank -- and it will be with you FOREVER.

So does that mean you are forever stuck with your fear of water? No. Because there IS something you can do. You can alter the CONTEXT. You can learn to swim -- you can create a CONTEXT in which you now feel "safe" around water, and thereby rendering that old "fear" programming meaningless.

And I think that's enlightenment/awakening in a nutshell. Learning to create and experiencd the world around you as "safe" And once you feel 'at ease' in your total environment -- you are no longer controlled by past defensive toxic programming -- it loses its hold on you -- and you are at last free to "live/be in the now" -- you are free to play in life's swimming pool.

But the "swimming - fear of water" situation is actually an easy one. It's clear-cut. It has an easy definable remedy. The "hard" ones are much more vague and smaller in scope. It's those little day-to-day self doubts and situations that seem to creep up without warning -- example:

You're with a client -- and out-of-the-blue he asks you a question that's VERY awkward to answer truthfully -- because doing so will probably blow whatever deal you have pending.

So what do you do? Fear abounds. You NEED the sale. You NEED the commission to pay the rent. If you don't make the sale -- you MAY get fired. So suddenly, you find that your Eastern spirituality has collided head-on with Western capitalism.

I suppose the pat answer is -- don't set your life up so that you find yourself in such such conflicting situations.

So what do you do? If you're really dedicated to "Awakening" -- you answer TRUTHFULLY. So you do/don't make the sale. And you do/don't get fired. But you "stay the course" of awakening/enlightenment -- and deal with whatever consequences that follow -- and life will naturally lead you towards a safe context/environment. ("The truth shall set you free.") But please realize that that new "safe" context may or may not include your current job or apartment. Remember -- you can't serve two masters -- and "awakening/enlightenment" demands some conviction of your faith, courage and self- honesty.

later......oren

PS -- Do you know the best way to clean your fingernails? Answer: Wash your hair. And if you want to shake the grasp on "old conditioning" - old CONTENT -- then the best way is to learn to experience/create a safe new CONTEXT in life that renders old content/conditioning meaningless.

Subject: du ah du

From: Jacquie Weller <Well333@turbonet.com>

Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 21:26:40 -0800

fear does not exist except when one believes it and concieves it and turns it into a conditioning and itsdesires then perpepetuate one false thing upon another.

in the silence the winter melts into a rose.

Subject: How to?

From: Victor Torrico <vtorrico@cfw.com>

Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 08:19:12 -0500

Ya know --- There's tons and tons of stuff regarding what is the problem but just ounces and ounces of stuff on how to actually get rid of the problem.

So --- Do I stand on my head and stack BBs?

Do I just throw my hands up in the air and say I quit?

Can the mind rid the mind of its problems? Can the fox guard the hen house? What rids what of the problems? What discovers or uncovers what's what?

Is it possible to develop the motivation and ambition to even want to start this process of good riddance?

We here in the West seek the quick and easy band aid for problems. Are the quickest and easiest the best?

Does what works for me work for you? Are there universal solutions or must they be tailored to the individual?

If we bury our head in the sand won't they just go away?

Please lay out a reasonable plan to follow if it behooves you.

What do others do that works for them?

Subject: Re: Control and manipulation

From: ejLight@Light-Mission.org (E.J.)

Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 05:06:49 GMT

Greetings Oren, you wrote: ->My contention is that you can NEVER really "dump" a ->conditioning -- but only alter the context in which it ->exists. Example: -> ->Let's suppose you can't swim...i.e...therefore -- with ->our survival instinct being what it is -- you might ->naturally have a healthy fear of water.

*Roaring Laughter* First, not all conditioning (programs) are toxic to our Awakening. Further, the fear of being out in the middle of a body of water that would be life threatening because one can not swim is not conditioning. But rather, well, good sense {8-> Granted, most do take such fears to extremes. Did not Siddhartha tell us to let go of the Causes of our Suffering ? Did not Jesus tell us to not be influenced ? Have not others said the same things ? Those who have spent their whole lives Awakening are wrong ? ONLY the Grand Trickster would tell you not to worry about HIS influences Dear Friend.

->My point is this. I don't think you can ever REALLY ->dump a 'conditionig' -- rid yourself of it's CONTENT -- ->because it is deeply burned into your memory bank -- and ->it will be with you FOREVER.

Think not Wonderful Friend. Believe not Dear Friend. Find out for yourself by giving it a whirl. Not the haphazard "oh, been there done that" excuse, but rather actually let one go. One simple one. Like, perhaps, a simple minor *belief*. Think about all the things you believe and/or believe in, something that you have not verified by Direct Experience yourself, that you have either taken the word of another or you have intellectually deducted must be so, and let it go. That is, refuse to hold it to be True until you have come across a situation whereby you can Directly Experience it as being True. A Key is, in this experiment, that you must be Honest with yourself both about dropping some little belief and Honest with yourself about the results. Which may not, by the way, be instantaneous. Which may take days of Open Honest Observation to glean any results. Honesty with yourself is one of the parameters of this experiment. Another parameter is that you must really drop it and not just suppress or hide it. Another parameter is that you must Honestly and Openly Observe your feelings and reactions and responses and thoughts about letting this little belief go. So you are conducting the experiment and you are the experiment. The final parameter is that you must not be biased in your Observations. Really do it, and not just pay a game. As the old cliche goes: "don't fight it 'til you've tried it". Up to the task ? Guaranteed, IF you Openly and Honestly conduct the experiment and IF you Openly and Honestly Observe yourself as the experiment, you will gather very Interesting information. Perhaps not a deletion of a conditioned notion, but most Interesting information.

->later......oren -> ->PS -- Do you know the best way to clean your fingernails? ->Answer: Wash your hair.

Thank you for the Insight. Now when I see someone cleaning under their fingernails I will tell them to go wash their hair. And if it's paint under their fingernails I will tell them to wash their hair with paint thinner. Yet, come to think of it, they may tell me to go wash my mouth with soap. Oh well, what do they know. Perhaps I will get them to try the experiment {8->

Subject: Re: How to?

From: Sharlene <Sharlene@Light-Mission.org>

Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 08:07:19 -0800

> > >(giggles) I am almost never more focused and in the moment as when I shave >my head.

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.......Cute Vinny...... I do admit that some do look good with no hair...... Can I use it for a crystal ball?

Subject: Re: How to?

From: "Vinny Amador" <vinny@angelreiki.nu>

Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 09:03:40 -0600

Greetings Sharlene;

you wrote: "I have no idea, and in reality, is there any other way than by living in the moment? We can all shave our heads, wear robes and meditate our lives away, but it all still comes back to the moment."

(giggles) I am almost never more focused and in the moment as when I shave my head.

No religious connotation to shaving my head. My wife thought Capt. Piccard from Star Trek and also Sean Connery (both bald) were two of the sexiest men alive. Since nature was in the process of removing my hair, I thought to encourage the process a bit might be fun in light of this.

In retrospect, it was an amazing thing. I had no idea how attached I was to my appearance, making sure it was cut this or that way, how it looked to others, what impression it gave others. In seeing those conditionings and seeing how much I tried to impress others with appearance and how attached to it I was, it was most freeing. Of course not to mention all the money I save on not having to buy hair care products! And never having a "bad hair day" (I have "no hair" days!)

With fun!

Subject: Re: How to? From: "Vinny Amador" <vinny@angelreiki.nu> Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 07:35:50 -0600

Greetings Victor;

There is no solution, there is only what you do.

I can just say what has been useful for me.

Meditation helps calm the mind so that it is a bit more focused. It is a lot easier to see the conditionings when there is not an endless prattle in your head.

A practice like vipassana can be useful in helping to focus on awareness, just staying focused on the breathing and awareness of it.

The trick with any of these is not to hide away in them but rather to bring them into daily life so that you are mindful in daily life.

Reactions, particularly strong ones (as I got a chance to observe in myself over the weekend) are helpful because the indicate for you where the conditionings are. They are real easy to see then. Agree to be open with them in that moment, don't run from them. We are so conditioned and we do this with anger, that with pain, this with self doubt, etc. See those. EJ says the sword of truth cuts deep and when you see them, you understand.

There are lots of methods out there. Things like bodhicitta, advaita, zen, various forms of buddhism, and on and on and on. Many seem to attach greatly to their particular one, which might seem on the surface to defeat the purpose.

Hope that helps.

Subject: Re: How to?

From: Sharlene <Sharlene@Light-Mission.org>

Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 06:24:12 -0800

Hi Victor, you wrote:

>Ya know --- There's tons and tons of stuff regarding what is the problem >but just ounces and ounces of stuff on how to actually get rid of the >problem.

Ya, I know...... The thing is-our conditioning weighs tons and tons, and yet the cure to our suffering weighs less than an ounce. In fact it is weightless. I have learned by staying in the moment, I find peace, its when I project or regress that I find discomfort. I don't think it's a matter of getting rid, but remaining aware of what 's happening right now, and dealing with right now, it all becomes easier.

>So --- Do I stand on my head and stack BBs?

Thats a pretty picture.........ha

>Do I just throw my hands up in the air and say I quit?

Yes, that's a good start.

>Can the mind rid the mind of its problems?

No, it just thinks it can.

>Can the fox guard the hen >house?

Probably only from other fox.

>What rids what of the problems?

Living in the moment.

> What discovers or uncovers >what's what?

Being aware within the moment.

>Is it possible to develop the motivation and ambition to even want to >start this process of good riddance?

It's not a matter of manipulation, but one of releasing our illusions of having control.

>We here in the West seek the quick and easy band aid for problems. Are >the quickest and easiest the best?

Only if it is living in the now. There is no need for ritual, beliefs, or methods.

>Does what works for me work for you?

Yes, but we walk our own path until we meet and walk as one.

>Are there universal solutions or >must they be tailored to the individual?

No, being individual is illusion.

>If we bury our head in the sand won't they just go away?

What type of problems are problems and not just experiences? Day to day survival is paying the bills etc. Chop wood -carry water is what is, no matter what.

>Please lay out a reasonable plan to follow if it behooves you.

There is no plan.

>What do others do that works for them?

I have no idea, and in reality, is there any other way than by living in the moment? We can all shave our heads, wear robes and meditate our lives away, but it all still comes back to the moment.

>In peace and friendship,

That's nice, thank you

Subject: Re: How to?

From: ejLight@Light-Mission.org (E.J.)

Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 02:30:07 GMT

Greetings Victor, you wrote: ->Ya know --- There's tons and tons of stuff regarding what is the problem ->but just ounces and ounces of stuff on how to actually get rid of the ->problem.

Wise observation Dear Friend. And wading through the tons and tons of material about what the problem is we must be ever so vigilant and watchful to spot the seldom seen material as to how to solve the riddle. We must be ever so mindful to spot these Gems because our conditioned programs have built-in blind spots so we will miss the few that are there. Though few, compared to the information on the problem, there are quite a few pointers buried there. Yet, before we can spot them we have to take off the rose colored glasses. We have to really understand the workings of the mind and take a good look at the contents there in. We have to really understand the subtle and gross operations of conditioning and it's effects on our thinking and behavior. THEN you can lay a good foundation as to What-ISNOT. From there the limitation start getting fewer.

->So --- Do I stand on my head and stack BBs?

Now there is a universal practice {8-> That most do practice.

->Do I just throw my hands up in the air and say I quit?

Most do. Or they simply exchange an old belief system for a new one. Which is a different game, but the players are the same and the results are the same. Or they chalk it up to a dead end and go back to the old belief system.

->Can the mind rid the mind of its problems? Can the fox guard the hen ->house? What rids what of the problems? What discovers or uncovers ->what's what?

The mind does not have any problems, it is we who have the problems due to the fact that we harbor conditioned notions. As long as we think that the mind is the problem there can be no resolution to the problem, because, no, the mind can not rid itself of itself. AGAIN, the mind is simply being the mind doing what the mind does, run programs. It would be a shame to get rid of such a fine tool, very much needed not only in our Awakening but also in everyday life. If we can not get past the fist hurdle, we can not expect to figure out how to jump the second. There is a good first conditioned notion to let go of, that the mind is the problem. We need the mind Dear Friend, so we can find and see the data-sheets on all our programs. Then it takes a lot of Heart to root out the toxic one. Do not blame the frog for the jump, the frog is just doing a froggy thing by jumping.

->Is it possible to develop the motivation and ambition to even want to ->start this process of good riddance?

That would depend on how bad you Suffer, or how much you Realize that you do Suffer. That is, how much you Realize how empty and useless your present modus operandi is when it comes to Awakening. If you *think* you have got it made and the ticket to heaven is in hand there is nothing to gain, so there would be no reason to consider ridding yourself of anything. BUT, if there is the slightest question in the matter we best get off our butt and hit the ground running to find the answer to that question. Like the gazelle and the lion in the jungle. The gazelle knows that if it does not out run the lion that it will make a nice dinner for the lion. And the lion knows that he has to out run the gazelle or he will go hungry. So the instant the gazelle wakes up it starts running to make sure he is not a tasty dish for the lion. And the lion likewise starts running when he wakes up to see if he can get some dinner. Key is, the Grand Trickster is always on your butt so we always have to be on the run to stay away from his control and manipulation. "Ride boldly ride, the shade replied, if you Seek Eldorado".

->We here in the West seek the quick and easy band aid for problems. Are ->the quickest and easiest the best?

Well, they have not borne out to be of much use thus far. Perhaps that is why few Westerners have actually stated Awakening. "No pain, no gain".

->Does what works for me work for you? Are there universal solutions or ->must they be tailored to the individual?

There are many routes to and along the Path, but only One Path. The routes are very individual, the Path is very singular. What works works. IF whatever it is we *think* works is not our own contrived notion of either the Path or what works, it should work for anyone. IF we are deluded as to the Path and what works then we would be deluding ourself and others by *thinking* that anything works. Which is mostly the case, especially here in the West. Many things will work once one gets on the Path, but first we have to get on the Path. And the straightest route to the Path is but a program away. The more programs we let go of the closer we get to the Path.

->If we bury our head in the sand won't they just go away?

Out of sight, out of mind. Another universal practice. That is also part of many other practices.

->What do others do that works for them?

Really has no barring. It is not a matter of what works for others, for only a few actually know and the rest just *think* they do. It is more a matter of what does work.

->Please lay out a reasonable plan to follow if it behooves you.

Let me reiterate the experiment I ask Oren to conduct. Everyone should try it, just for the experience if for no other reason. IF they are up to the task. For it is not the easiest experiment to conduct *accurately*, Openly, Honestly, and not an easy one to maintain. Find out for yourself by giving it a whirl. Not the haphazard "oh, been there done that" excuse, but rather actually let one go. One simple one. Like, perhaps, a simple minor *belief*. Think about all the things you believe and/or believe in, something that you have not verified by Direct Experience yourself, that you have either taken the word of another or you have intellectually deducted must be so, and let it go. That is, refuse to hold it to be True until you have come across a situation whereby you can Directly Experience it as being True. A Key is, in this experiment, that you must be Honest with yourself both about dropping some little belief and Honest with yourself about the results. Which may not, by the way, be instantaneous. Which may take days of Open Honest Observation to glean any results. Honesty with yourself is one of the parameters of this experiment. Another parameter is that you must really drop it and not just suppress or hide it. Another parameter is that you must Honestly and Openly Observe your feelings and reactions and responses and thoughts about letting this little belief go. So you are conducting the experiment and you are the experiment. The final parameter is that you must not be biased in your Observations. Really do it, and not just pay a game. As the old cliche goes: "don't fight it 'til you've tried it". Up to the task ? Guaranteed, IF you Openly and Honestly conduct the experiment and IF you Openly and Honestly Observe yourself as the experiment, you will gather very Interesting information. Perhaps not a deletion of a conditioned notion, but most Interesting information.

Subject: This One'll Kill You!

From: ejLight@Light-Mission.org (E.J.)

Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 02:44:01 GMT

Greetings Community,

Just to clarify a mention I made in a post about a letter containing a virus. I am glad to say that it appears to be a hoax:

>From "Urban Legends and Folklore":

If you thought the "Love Letter" virus - or worm, to be Technically Correct - that did billions of dollars of damage to computers worldwide in recent days (May 2000) was diabolical, wait till you get a load of the Klingerman Virus.

According to an email alert circulating since April 2000, this newly-discovered bug isn't the kind that will kill your computer - it's the kind that will kill you.

Here's the text of the alert (please note that a newer version for 2001 is prefaced with the line, "This is from Schwab corporate headquarters - so it's no joke"):

I feel it is vital to inform all of my friends about this. This is an alert about a virus in the original sense of the word...one that affects your body, not your hard drive.

There have been 23 confirmed cases of people attacked by the Klingerman Virus, a virus that arrives in your real mail box, not your e-mail in box.

Someone has been mailing large blue envelopes, seemingly at random, to people inside the US. On the front of the envelope in bold black letters is printed, "A gift for you from the Klingerman Foundation." When the envelopes are opened, there is a small sponge sealed in plastic. This sponge carries what has come to be known as the Klingerman Virus, as public health officials state this is a strain of virus they have not previously encountered.

When asked for comment, Florida police Sergeant Stetson said, "We are working with the CDC and the USPS, but have so far been unable to track down the origins of these letters. The return addresses have all been different, and we are certain a remailing service is being used, making our jobs that much more difficult."

Those who have come in contact with the Klingerman Virus have been hospitalized with severe dysentery. So far seven of the twentythree victims have died. There is no legitimate Klingerman Foundation mailing unsolicited gifts.

If you receive an oversized blue envelope in the mail marked,"A gift from the Klingerman foundation", DO NOT open it. Place the envelope in a strong plastic bag or container, and call the police immediately. The "gift" inside is one you definitely do not want.

PLEASE PASS THIS ON TO EVERYONE YOU CARE ABOUT.

With all due respect to earnest forwarders, the only threat posed by the "Klingerman Virus" is an outbreak of laughter. It's a gag - a parody of phony computer virus alerts, most of which are worded similarly, including sentences like, "If you receive a message entitled such-and-such, DO NOT OPEN IT! IT WILL DESTROY YOUR COMPUTER!!!"

Subject: Re: How to?

From: ejLight@Light-Mission.org (E.J.)

Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 03:30:18 GMT

~ Open Your Eyes ~

There are the tell tale signs of despair

Many are speaking but nobody's there,

Great words of Wisdom so they would say

Though shallow the Insights all falling away.

So many truths that who can decide

Everyone has one with Eyes Shut Wide,

Nuance is the guidance of what to accept

Sacred is the ground where we have Slept.

So many Teachers and so few to Learn

Parrots to dazzle and Brimstone to burn,

Saviors and prophets the message is Clear

Sign up for Salvation the contract is here.

This is the truth so that must be a lie

Minions are here so no need to ask why,

This is your nature so go with the flow

Nothing to do and so nowhere to go.

Too many choices with none the same

Which is the good and which is to blame,

This is what to gain and that is to lose

So in the judgment which is to choose.

Hearing the morning birds on the wing

Cutting through air what will they bring,

The to and fro in their darting Grace

Embrace the morning breeze in their face.

No walls contain this uncharted Flight

Nor will the Wind put up much of a fight,

No statement made though all is Heard

All is a Dance of the Wind and the Bird.

There is your Truth if you will only See

It is not about you nor is it about me,

Not about bondage nor of being Free

It is all about Opening your Eyes to See.

Subject: these days

From: Jacquie Weller <Well333@turbonet.com>

Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 08:40:33 -0800

At first I was batting my head up against the mountain trying to "figure" this awakening business out. Then I was running from it as fast as I could "thinking" it was like a poisonous snake to me. Then I came back sniffing around cause it seemed that ....it beckoned me with its still voice and yet I did not know exactly why it held me transfixed and amazed.

Today

Wow....

I am not thinking, running or figureing....or batting my head or twisting and turning....i just am awe-ed, and stunned, and looking into the face of the Cheshire Cat with its Sillyness Smiling....Oh.

Subject: Re: these days

From: ejLight@Light-Mission.org (E.J.)

Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 20:24:17 GMT

Greetings Royal, you wrote: ->Awakening is inevitable. Relax and enjoy!

"Relax and Enjoy", indeed yes ! But Awakening is not as "inevitable" as most *think*. There is a certain effort that is required of us. And when we do not make the effort to rid ourself of our toxic conditioned notions (the Causes of our Suffering) we will continue to Suffer, as we have for thousands upon thousands of years. No one Saves us but ourself, no one can and no one may, others can Point to the Path, but we ourself must Walk the Way. The Nipata Sutta says, "Through conviction one crosses over the flood. Through heedfulness, the sea. Through persistence one overcomes suffering & stress. Through discernment a person is purified."

Subject: Re: these days

From: ejLight@Light-Mission.org (E.J.)

Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 20:31:03 GMT

Greetings Jacquie, you wrote: ->At first I was batting my head up against the mountain trying to ->"figure" this awakening business out. ->Then I was running from it as fast as I could "thinking" it was like a ->poisonous snake to me. Then I came back sniffing around cause it seemed ->that ....it beckoned me with its still voice and yet I did not know ->exactly why it held me transfixed and amazed. -> ->Today -> ->Wow.... -> ->I am not thinking, running or figureing....or batting my head or ->twisting and turning....

*Deep Bow* The legless frog Jumps for Joy.

->i just am awe-ed, and stunned, and looking into ->the face of the Cheshire Cat with its Sillyness Smiling....Oh.

As the Wise Insight that the Cheshire Cat Points out to Alice, exemplifying what Poonjaji said: "You are ripe for Enlightenment when you want nothing else. In order to be born as a baby you have to spend nine months getting bigger and bigger. For Enlightenment you have to get smaller and smaller until you disappear completely."

Subject: re: Cheshire Cat (was these days)

From: Jacquie Weller <Well333@turbonet.com>

Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 10:47:00 -0800

Good Morning E.J.: You said: >As the Wise Insight that the Cheshire Cat Points out to Alice, exemplifying what Poonjaji said: "You are ripe for Enlightenment when you want nothing else. In order to be born as a baby you have to spend nine months getting bigger and bigger. For Enlightenment you have to get smaller and smaller until you disappear completely."<

what seems to me to get smaller is the mountain of conditionings....also one like myself finds that I often stop dead in my tracks with my usual automatic reactions and or responses....I often find myself at a crosswalk of mental congestion and looking both ways noticying that a Truck is on a one way street heading for another Truck without any breaks until I say ah....this is plain mental chaos...now where is the green light....there she is as the Cheshire Cat merely smiles from ear to ear in the snow drift here in Idaho.

Subject: Re: Cheshire Cat (was these days)

From: ejLight@Light-Mission.org (E.J.)

Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 08:42:05 GMT

Greetings Jacquie, you wrote: ->what seems to me to get smaller is the mountain of conditionings....

As Poonjaji once said, "Thoughts appear and disappear but they are not "mine" so they don't bother me. Let them come, let them go. What does it matter? They are nothing to do with me". Indeed the disappearing is in making the toxic conditioned notions disappear. But in so disappearing the conditioned notions we disappear as an separate entity and meld in/as What-IS.

->also one like myself finds that I often stop dead in my tracks with my usual ->automatic reactions and or responses....I often find myself at a ->crosswalk of mental congestion and looking both ways noticying that a ->Truck is on a one way street heading for ->another Truck without any breaks until I say ah....this is plain mental ->chaos...now where is the green light....

Yes, a rude Reckoning of our head games battling for supremacy. Standing there, in awe, with mouth open letting flies in, we feverishly search for the mouse trap because there is obviously a scoundrel in the attic. The lights are on but everyone went away on vacation.

->there she is as the Cheshire Cat merely ->smiles from ear to ear in the snow drift here in Idaho.

And so it is, as the Cheshire Cat fades in and out so to does the Moment. When the Cheshire Cat is no more we are no more and All IS the Moment, from Moment to Moment. For it is in the Song with no Tune that there is Music, as it is in the Picture with no Image that there is Sight, as it is in the Message with no Words that there is Hearing, as it is in the Dance with no Dancer that there is Rhythm. "The substance of a sage is nameless and cannot be spoken of; The empty door of truth as it really is cannot be tarried in." -- Pai-chang

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