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Subject: colors & krayons & klingons as such

From: "Volker Munz" <volkerm@netidea.com>

Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 18:26:46 -0700

mr light,

have i disenfranchised my selph from this list or is it merely a raymond lully in the works? a knave peering into to the 'oyls' to see what the knives & the knights are kooking up for the morrow?

this kommunity is awedly silent...

i have gone thru my hard drive deleting 'things' indiskriminately to save the righteousness of the kore... at all times i have kept to the right though tonite i will set my 'alarum' to the morrow of the bone...

'what's he doing in there? what the hell is he doing in there?... we have a right to know...' - tom waits

why'd he pick the blue crayon instead of the black? why's the lady have both eyes on the same side of her 'knowse'?... & why's the monkey grind the organ while the 'pullman' man stretches the elastic on his cap for tips & handouts?

what the phuk is wrong with this picture?

has sumone slipped me a 'mickey finn?' - while the beard wags at the chin of the knowing?

i would rather sit on the banks of the pond, eating pistachios, drinking wine & throwing the shells to the ducks...

my 'i's' are closer to the 'other' life forms than they are to the 'minds' of men... i smoke 'cuban' seegars, listen to leon redbone & pick up any crayon that 'seizes' my hand...

if the colour is wrong, the picture will nevertheless express what my heart is saying...

it says: keep right...

from the left side of the bed, bevel quinteros

Subject: Re: A Ray Of Light

From: ejLight@light-mission.org (E.J.)

Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 04:43:29 GMT

Greetings Community,

It has been asked: ->May I ask what you mean with intellectual baggage? When does it become a burden instead of a tool?

It is a Tool when used as an instrument to fathom your conditioned state, and is not clung to for it is simply a Tool. It is also a Tool to sort out the various Multiple aspect of Unity in the world. It is a burden when you start clinging to it as some authority or having some importance other than a disposable Tool, for then it is baggage that you carry around with you for some false sense of security and identity and even supremacy. The mind is a Wondrous instrument that is actually our greatest asset, yet can be our worst enemy (and is our worst enemy when full of conditioned ideas and images and meanings and notion of all sorts). It took humanity millions of years to Evolve/Involve his mind, yet totally wasted because he fills it with nonsense. Just like reading Truthful information we must first Understand what is not Truth so we can Recognize it in the reading, so too we must first Understand the mind for it's attributes and mostly it's shortcomings and what is not the mind before we can ever hope to both Recognize and then Root Out the Defiling conditioned notions contained therein.

How do you Understand Truth: it is not conditioned or personal. How do you Understand what is not Truth: it is conditioned or personal. How do you Understand the mind: Empty and Silence it. How do you Understand what is not the mind: Empty and Silence it so the mind can BE what it IS without the Additions of conditionings.

True ?

Subject: It Would Be Nice

From: ejLight@light-mission.org (E.J.)

Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 03:58:27 GMT

Greetings Community,

It has been said: ->It would be nice just once before I am no longer animated, just to have some-one hold me ->and tell me that they feel love towards me, (with-out conditions).

I would say that it is quite natural to want an Open Honest Unconditional relationship/companionship with another, as no element in the manifested realm is Separate from another. Each element making up the Whole, a Multiplicity AS a Unity, some more intimate than others. And though the Whole of manifested form Walks through this sojourn we call life in a Brotherhood of One, together, each Journey is a Solitary Journey. We each must Walk it ourselves Alone. Not to be mistaken for *loneliness*, for though we Walk Alone we Walk Alone with others Walking Alone. So though we are Alone we are never Lonely. So there will always be relationship/companionship, some intimate and some in passing, a natural occurrence in the phenomenal realm. It is the Desire for such relationship/companionship that distorts our Clarity that no matter how intimate the relationship/companionship that we are always Alone. When we let go of the Desire, the seeming loneliness dissipates. We are conditioned to think that the naturally physical attraction of elements of form is a Desire for relationship/companionship, though it is nothing more than the natural inclination of Brotherhood. When not Desired, the relationship/companionship stays most Open/Honest/Unconditional and most natural. We are conditioned to think the Desire is an attractant when actually it is a deterrent/repellant. Without the Desire, the Open/Honest/Unconditional relationship/companionship naturally attracts. The more we grasp for this and that the further it gets from us. The short of it being that by not Desiring it, it naturally happens.

And yes, we are conditioned to *possess* this and that yet all is most impermanent so nothing is really possessable. All within the manifested realm will pass away, so not worthy of the Suffering of Desiring to possess it. Paradoxically, the more we let go the more we Realize/Recognize we have. And oddly enough, the more we will levitate others to us because they no longer feel the threat of being possessed. Two people can be intimately involved, yet with neither attached to the Desire of that involvement both feel a certain Freedom that keeps them involved. The more we grasp at the further it gets from us.

True ?

Subject: FW: It Would Be Nice

From: "Ragland, Thomas" <TRagland@UMCOM.ORG>

Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 13:53:43 -0500

It would help getting this posted to the list if I sent it to the correct email address! Sleepy today. So here's trying it again...

Tom Ragland tragland@umcom.org

-----Original Message----- From: Ragland, Thomas Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 11:15 AM To: 'ejLight@light-mission.org' Subject: RE: It Would Be Nice

As an "offline" query, I thought it appropriate to post my replies to the list in all hopes that it may spawn more discussion or digression as the case may be.

Is consciousness the same as awareness (an essence of a human being)?

I used to think so. Consciousness is the chains of concerns for the obtaining of the contact with objects of desire. You look out for what you want. You create volitional demons that haunt you and try to define you. Consciousness is the fires you tend to. If you are fueling the Big Fire, then this is awareness. If you are fueling the fires of desire, then this is ignorance.

What is this small self compared to capital Self? What is the difference between the two?

Small self is created by the accumulated contacts with objects sensed and desired, the name you put on your office door, the language you have learned to use to communicate this time around, the result of your educational experiences. The Self is your Will that exists once you find out that all of the self that you once identified with is not ultimately you.

What is the source?

We have created our own playground, projected it all out of our own desires to experience and to continue to recreate the small self.

What is the ultimate home and destination?

We extinguish the fires burning for the small self and there is nothing left but that original Fire to tend to.

What is dualism and how do you get out of it to be one with one-self, others and the universe?

You don't get out of it back into a holistic state. You have always been home. You never left. You really never entered dualism. It is all a collection of mind games you have played for so long, so many little fires of volitions you continue to refuel. Once you stop adding the fuel they will burn out on their own and you will wake up as if it was all a dream.

Are there other additional elements of human essence such as truthfulness?

Perhaps finding this out is why we are so far off base to begin with. You can't see the distant star light unless you stand in a very dark field at night. Here is a question to leave with--what can we say that we gained by the experience of leaving our Nirvana only to try to return to it? Just suffering? There has to be more to it than that.

Subject: RE: It Would Be Nice

From: "Ragland, Thomas" <TRagland@UMCOM.ORG>

Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 08:08:43 -0500

Perhaps this is the reason for us having fallen into the delusion of self and of dualism in the first place. At our ultimate home, our source and destination we are so very One in interbeing that there is no hugger and no hugged, no beauty and no appreciator of beauty, no one external to self to care about or to care for you. No you.

Buddha once said that if we find where infinite space meets infinite consciousness that there is only infinite nothing beyond that. Everything we cling to is on this side of infinity. It is as if we have been projected out of that Nirvana into this delusion chaos of suffering. But in this maya we are given the opportunity to truly create compassion for the other instances of our self that we see out there. We can love and be loved. We can willfully choose to care. Perhaps this is the lesson we have come here to learn. As the immortal Sir Paul McCartney put it--in the end the love you take is equal to the love you make.

Subject: Re: FW: It Would Be Nice

From: ejLight@light-mission.org (E.J.)

Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 02:06:44 GMT

Greetings Tom, you wrote: ->As an "offline" query, I thought it appropriate to post my replies to the ->list in all hopes that it may spawn more discussion or digression as the ->case may be.

Good, as most discussions should be at the Community so that the other members can perhaps glean some Insights into the Natural Working of things.

->Is consciousness the same as awareness (an essence of a human being)?

No, yet due to not understanding this most (especially Westerners) equate the two, in their usual Dualistic manner. When those of the Consciousness group talk of "All IS Consciousness" they refer to the very fiber of existence, the basic building blocks of the manifested realm, the stuff that all manifestation is made of and thus IS. The consciousness inherent with an Evolved/Involved form such as the human is referred to as "Awareness". So we can be Aware but we ARE Consciousness. Though, Sleeping, we are most unconscious -- comatose, in fact. So you see, the two are not really equatable other than in the Sleeping realm.

->I used to think so. Consciousness is the chains of concerns for the ->obtaining of the contact with objects of desire. You look out for what you ->want. You create volitional demons that haunt you and try to define you. ->Consciousness is the fires you tend to. If you are fueling the Big Fire, ->then this is awareness. If you are fueling the fires of desire, then this ->is ignorance.

That is the conditioned drivel that most organizations use in their proselytizing, though obviously a Fear based on Damnation for not *believing*. The eating of the Evil Apple in the Garden.

->What is this small self compared to capital Self? ->What is the difference between the two?

Again the Dualists equate a Self and a self as polar opposites, yet is but a rationalization so as to continue to cling to the concept of self or ego. When the Two are made One, the whole idea is conditioned Folly so both are dropped. Who is it who has this "self" or "Self" to differentiate between ? Do you see the Dualistic notion here ?

->Small self is created by the accumulated contacts with objects sensed and ->desired, the name you put on your office door, the language you have learned ->to use to communicate this time around, the result of your educational ->experiences. The Self is your Will that exists once you find out that all ->of the self that you once identified with is not ultimately you.

That again is the conditioned drivel that most organizations use in their proselytizing, though obviously a Fear based on Damnation for not *believing*. Sleeping, Dualistically perceiving, there is always Two as there is always someone to possess something. And as much as Dualists try to hide the Dualism and as much as they even justify/rationalize Dualism, it's fallacy shows. There is only One. There can BE only One. When we Realize/Recognize this Dualism AS it IS for what it IS, and that it Veils our very Clarity of Vision we usually drop it like a hot potato (the Two again One). But these dear beloved notions are Cling-ons by our own attachment to them.

->What is the source? -> ->We have created our own playground, projected it all out of our own desires ->to experience and to continue to recreate the small self.

True, the "the source" is the contents we process mentally. Making "the source" the mind. Making this "playground", though most indeed projected, a stage show in our mind. It's all in our head. So by Emptying the conditioned contents we Realize/Recognize that there is no creation and no creator, that it was just a bad Dream at MGM Studio. Legends in our own mind.

->What is the ultimate home and destination? -> ->We extinguish the fires burning for the small self and there is nothing left ->but that original Fire to tend to.

The End IS the Beginning. The Alpha IS the Omega. So the so called "destination" is Waking-Up, the rest is child's play. The rest is the Beginning of your Life.

->What is dualism and how do you get out of it to be one with one-self, others ->and the universe? -> ->You don't get out of it back into a holistic state. You have always been ->home. You never left. You really never entered dualism. It is all a ->collection of mind games you have played for so long, so many little fires ->of volitions you continue to refuel. Once you stop adding the fuel they ->will burn out on their own and you will wake up as if it was all a dream.

Basically Correct but slightly misconstrued. Indeed we can be nowhere other than were we ARE, thus always quite Awakened. Veiled by the conditionings we operate mentally. But Dualism is a conditioned perception, thus there is no entering as there is no one to enter. Another clue, Dualists can not fathom that which is not Dualistic thus even a discussion of Dualism is Dualistic. And Dualists can not just stop paying attention to it and it will be no more. No Pain, no Gain. When we do not drop the conditionings they will always be near and dear to us regardless of how we endeavor to cover them up. We gathered all this Baggage so now we have to drop it back off. There is no one to Blame, yet we are to Blame if you do nothing about it. If it were as simple as ignoring it the whole of humanity would be Enlightened. No Dear Friend, if you do not Fight the Battle with the Grand Trickster, and it is not a cake-walk in the park, the Work on yourself has not been done, thus no Pain, thus no Gain.

Oh indeed it feels good, likened perhaps to pulling a sliver from the finger, the Awesome relief feeling after the Pain, but we fool ourself in thinking that it is easy and painless. The quick fixes are but rationalizations to avoid the Work and Pain. But we miss the Dance.

->Are there other additional elements of human essence such as truthfulness?

No, "truthfulness" is something that is Realized/Recognized in BEing Truth. A byproduct of Awakening. Otherwise the seeming "truthfulness" is an element of the Grand Lie or Grand Illusion. There is no "other", so such Dualistic perception could never fathom Truth or it's Essence. There is no Truth beyond BEing Truth.

->Perhaps finding this out is why we are so far off base to begin with. You ->can't see the distant star light unless you stand in a very dark field at ->night.

That works IF you want to see a distant star, BUT in order to Truly See yourself in the Mirror of Truth you best shed a lot of Light on the subject because standing in the Dark you will not See it. Standing in the Dark you will not even See the Grand Trickster standing beside you looking at those distant stars too (figuratively speaking).

->Here is a question to leave with--what can we say that we gained by ->the experience of leaving our Nirvana only to try to return to it? Just ->suffering? There has to be more to it than that.

Dualistically, a good question. Yet NonDualistically, your answer is in your question. For NonDualistically, there would be no such question thus no real answer.

Subject: re: It would be nice

From: "Volker Munz" <volkerm@netidea.com>

Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 21:58:46 -0700

herr licht,

-> It would be nice just once before I am no longer animated, just to have some-one hold me & tell me that they feel love towards me, (with-out conditions).<-

it wud indeed be nice if we could relate to each other as Beings without the divisions that separate 'nayborhoods' from 'homes' & 'homes' from 'rhumes' & 'rhumes' from the 'places' we live In...

it would be nice to Be our 'Selves'...

the same as it would be nice for Sisyphus to stop rolling the 'rock' Uphill only to have it roll back down to again to the Beginning...

why would Sisyphus persist in his labors while Knowing the Absurdity of his Quest for the Infinite???

the Eternal breathes... the Light side of the Tao breathes into the Other...

Sisyphus rolls the 'stone' up the hill...

Pignataro waits at the bottom...

fond regards, kommunity,

bevel peeh, direktor of the heidelberg psychiatrik socialist kollektive...

Subject: Western Rose Coloured Glasses

From: "Ragland, Thomas" <TRagland@UMCOM.ORG>

Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 07:04:53 -0500

If I put on my Western Rose Coloured Glasses I can see the East I know I don't see it as it is But it see it.

If I take them off The East gets blurry And I can't make it out at all.

To define quality in terms of quantity, To define monism in terms of dualism, To define Zen in terms of ritual, To define concept in terms of dogma, To define East in terms of West, We always get it wrong.

If I take them off The East gets blurry And I can't make it out at all.

If self is not self then I still exist, If God is not real he still answers prayers, If Nirvana is heaven then there Buddha sits, With Ganesha removing the obstacles in our way, To becoming Christ and merging with Siva, Of taking the hand of the Mediatrix Isis, And Resurrecting into the Pleroma of Spirit, As Saint Peter opens up the pearly gates, And we wake up from the maya dream, To discover we have been home all along.

If I take them off The East gets blurry And I can't make it out at all.

Subject: Re: Western Rose Coloured Glasses

From: ejLight@light-mission.org (E.J.)

Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 19:28:22 GMT

Greetings Tom, you wrote: ->If I put on my Western Rose Coloured Glasses ->I can see the East ->I know I don't see it as it is ->But it see it.

No sense in seeing anything as it is not, for that is seeing it as we project, which is naught but Illusion. So the "Western Rose Coloured Glasses" are but more Folly, thus must be tossed in the dumpster along with the rest of the conditioned paraphernalia.

->If I take them off ->The East gets blurry ->And I can't make it out at all.

Addiction to the "Western Rose Coloured Glasses", thus psychosomaticly you get withdrawals when you take them off. That too is but an Illusion. The only real way out of the dilemma is to go *Cold Turkey* and bear the Pain long enough to get *Cured*. The Pain is worth the Relief.

->To define quality in terms of quantity,