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Subject: Knowledge?
From: Sharlene <sharlene@light-mission.org>
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 09:56:57 -0700
Just a note here in a form of a question. Open to all if the spirit moves one to respond.
Do you think perhaps that, although words sound influenced by another, that it is possible to be in the same state of, and be aware of the same insights and knowledge that Krishnamuri and others have attained?
Is that not what the whole shebang is all about, as in the pathless path?
Is this not the reason that we do not cling to a path, THE truth, A truth, or remain attached to anything materialistic, spiritual, mental and emotional?
Is it surprising that similarities are in the Wise of today and those Wise who have gone before?
Is it not possible that in clinging to words of those who have gone before, that we are not in the moment with the Wise of today? Is that perhaps when the statement of when the student is ready, the teacher appears? I do not see the bodies of the dead showing up, but the bodies of those who are alive today.
What do I know Sharlene
Subject: A Ray Of Light
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 23:16:58 -0800
Greetings,
But the truth or God that is found is not truth or God, but rather the truth or god we were looking for. In our conditioned minds we make sure that we find that for which we seek, as a security blanket to cling to in times of stress or threat. For truth and God are closer to you than you yourself are so it makes little sense to look for them. It is not a matter of looking but rather a matter of BEing, and not projecting any of our preconceived notions into/onto that Direct Experience of BEing. Only AS the Silence do we Hear, only AS the Void do we See, only AS the Awakening we ARE. When we ARE, all else IS What-IS. And this very instant Moment is the only Moment that BEing will be of any relevance, for it is the only Reality that we have to work with. So when we stop looking and start BEing, when we let go of the past and the future and dwell AS the Moment, then and only then can we Realize Truth or God.
Enlightenment/Awakening/Self-Realization/Freedom is just another word for nothing (no-thing)left to let go.
Ah, but that which can be named can not be that which is named. To name the un-nameable is to finite infinity. To label yourself is to limit yourself, and therefore imprison your Freedom. Labeling is an exercise in futility, and thus the handiwork and hallmark of the Grand Trickster. Naming is a trick for possessing, and the un-possessable can not be possessed. We can not possess anything, for all in the physical realm is so impermanent. We can not even possess ourselves.
Ray of Light
Re:Knowledge
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 23:14:50 -0800
Good evening to Humanity,
First thing first one must stop reasoning for it is like...driving around the same block over,& over again!!!The only thing you see is the block & not what is contained in the block.This is an example of human behavior,old nature,orthe ego! Let go of the confusion of the words or sayings that you do not understand,comprehend,& cling too! Be who you are a unique soul in a physical body & not a physical body with an ego.When this realization is rooted & grounded firmly,the knowledge or intellect will be free to connect with the spirit.Then you will know extremely well & clearly see what is actually alive & what is actually dead!!
I send Light & Love
L. Furst
Re: Knowledge?
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 23:16:02 -0800
Greetings Sharlene, you wrote: ->Do you think perhaps that, although words sound influenced by another, that ->it is possible to be in the same state of, and be aware of the same ->insights and knowledge that Krishnamuri and others have attained?
In fact there are a number of volumes that set side by side the sayings of Wise Sages of yore. One such volume is the sayings of Jesus and Siddhartha. One influenced by the other, with vast cultural and educational differences and some 500 years apart ? Not likely. Though some words are different, due to language mostly, they said very much the same thing. So it would seem that when one Attains a Pure unconditioned state of Awareness/Awakening/Enlightenment that Truth/Reality is all that there IS thus all that one can utter or Point to. Since there IS but One Truth/Reality, and is not influenced by the relative phenomenal realm, it is no wonder that any number of people who indeed did Attain a Pure unconditioned state of Awareness/Awakening/Enlightenment would BE that One Truth/Reality and thus utter or Point to the very same Truth/Reality. It is when we contrive *our truth* that it is different from others -- the hallmark of war and conflict and strife and Suffering -- that we miss the Point.
->Is that not what the whole shebang is all about, as in the pathless path?
*Deep Bow*
->Is this not the reason that we do not cling to a path, THE truth, A truth, ->or remain attached to anything materialistic, spiritual, mental and emotional?
*Deep Bow* There is but Truth, and when one has the Eyes to See it and the Ears to Hear it, it will be the very same Truth that any with Eyes to See and Ears to Hear will See/Hear. There can BE only One.
->Is it surprising that similarities are in the Wise of today and those Wise ->who have gone before?
Not surprising at all. And one could very well never have heard of the other, which is many times the case.
->Is it not possible that in clinging to words of those who have gone before, ->that we are not in the moment with the Wise of today?
Ah, now this is a different slant. *Influenced* and thus clinging to any Wise words, of yore or today, not Realizing/Recognizing that the words Point to the same thing just by a different Finger, is the very foundation of Slavery. Clinging to words as a mantel to wear as some halo is unhealthy, for a halo only has to drop a few inches to be a Noose. And indeed can be the very Chains that imprison us in a Bondage controlled and manipulated by those very words. Indeed we are influenced by words, pushed this way and that, UNTIL we start Truly Understanding those words. THEN we Realize/Recognize that the words are empty sleeves that Point to that which we Realize/Recognize. Then the words are but pleasant Lyrics to a Wonderful Song that has always been our Dance. The words are then but Music that is only pleasant Listening and little more. For once we start the Dance, the words no longer influence us because the Dance is the Truth Nature we ARE where there are no words. Nor words for. The Dancers may be different Dancers, but the Dance will BE the same Dance. It is called Awakening -- which is just another word for Nothing/No-Thing to let go.
->Is that perhaps when the statement of when the student is ready, the ->teacher appears? I do not see the bodies of the dead showing up, but the ->bodies of those who are alive today.
*Deep Bow* It seems as though the Teacher shows up, but actually the Teacher was always there. The Teacher does not show up, the Sleeper Opens his/her Eyes and Sees that the Teacher is standing in front of them. And True, it will not be a Teacher of yore. Teachers of yore are in the past, which is not this Present Moment thus not Real. It is easy to study the Wise words of a Wise Teacher of yore or even of today and thus Talk the Wise Talk of the Wise Teacher, but it is another thing to Walk a spell with one. Though those of the "Dead Sages Society" say they do, their *walk* is not very Solid.
Only following the Jump of a Legless Frog will Reveal Wordless Answers. The Wordless Word. The Chirpless Chirp.
E.J. Light
Subject: Re: Knowledge
From: Sharlene <sharlene@light-mission.org>
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 06:41:53 -0700
At 08:20 PM 12/07/2002 -0700, you wrote:
>Good evening to Humanity,
Hi L Furst, Liz, I believe.
>First thing first one must stop reasoning for it is like...driving around the >same block over,& over again!!! >The only thing you see is the block & not what >is contained in the block.
Not unlike the story of the elephants being tied to the peg, One can take away the chain, yet the elephant still goes around in the circle. That is it's conditioning.
>This is an example of human behavior,old >nature,orthe ego!
Yes, stuck in the circle because it doesn't know they are free.
>Let go of the confusion of the words or sayings that you do not >understand,comprehend,& cling too!
One does not need words, sayings or understanding of such if one can just release all attachments to that which is outside oneself. The thoughts and interpretations of those thoughts is not so easy to release without that understanding or knowing.
>Be who you are a unique soul in a physical body & >not a physical body with an ego.
Even the concept of unique can be released.
>When this realization is rooted & grounded >firmly,the knowledge or intellect will be free to connect with the spirit.
Ah, but the intellect is the thing that keeps us grounded in thought. Awakening is not in more learning, but in the unlearning.
>Then >you will know extremely well & clearly see what is actually alive & what is >actually dead!!
One will see that there is no alive and no dead, forms may change, and yet, nothing dies and nothing is born. If one takes a can and sucks out all the air, the can crushes into itself, it hasn't died, but changed its form. It may no longer look like a can and yet, we cling to the thought of it still being a can and not just a hunk of metal. Form changes, our conditioning needs a shift in perception to recognize that what was, is not what is.
>I send Light & Love
Thank you, I accept it and return it. Sharlene
Subject: The Nose
From: Sharlene <sharlene@light-mission.org>
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 11:47:13 -0700
He was a highly regarded dentist. He was around forty years old or something like this and had a daughter who was nearly getting into college. He was a serious man. Sober, without surprising opinions about things, but had a solid reputation as a professional and as a citizen. One day, he came back home from work using a false rubber nose, what frightened his family. After the initial surprise, his wife and daughter smiled, pretending tolerance. It was a nose made of rubber and had a false glass without lenses and also eyebrows and a mustache. What made him looks like Groucho Marx. But our doctor didn't mean to imitate Groucho Marx. He sat at the table (He used to have lunch at home) with his usual politeness; he was quiet and a little absent-minded. But with a rubber nose…
- What's that? Asked his wife, after salad. Now, smiling less. - What? - That nose? - Yes, I saw it in a store window, entered and bought it. - But… You daddy? After lunch he went take a nap in the sofa of the room as he as used to do everyday. Then his wife lost her patience: - Take that stuff off! - Why? - Not the time for kidding, everything has a limit… - I'm not kidding. So he took a nap his rubber nose on. After half-an-hour he got up and drove himself towards the door. His wife interrupted him: - Where do you go? - What do you mean, "Where do you go"? I'm coming back to the office. - But… With that nose? - I just can't understand you (he said, while looking with a bit of censorship through his glasses-without-lenses.), if it was a new tie you wouldn't say a thing. That's just because it's a nose. - Think about our neighbors, think of our clients. The clients, indeed, didn't understand very well that rubber nose (But… You doctor?) Everybody asked questions, but all of them ended their consultations intrigued and left the office full of doubts. - He got crazy? - I don't know, answered the secretary, who had been working with him for 15 years I never saw him this way. That night, he took a shower as he used to do before going bed. Then he put his pajamas on and his fake nose and went sleep. - Are you going use that nose in bed? Asked his wife. - Yes… By the way, I won't take it anymore. - But, Why??? - Because not. Soon he fell asleep, but his wife kept all along the night looking at that rubber nose. At the dawn she started crying quietly. He was really nuts. Everything changed for a fake nose, a brilliant career, a reputation, a name, and a perfect family. - Daddy… - Yes my daughter. - We need to talk. Can we? - Of course we can. - It's about your nose… - My nose again? Don't you think of anything else? - Daddy, How could we not to think of your nose. Suddenly a man like you decide going around with a false nose and don't you want anybody to notice? - It's my nose, and I'll keep on using it. - But, why daddy? Can't you realize that you have become the clown of the neighborhood? I just can't face our neighbors. With shame! Mommy hasn't been able to have any social life any longer because of that nose. - She haven't had it cause she doesn't want to. - How could she go out to the streets with "The-man-with-a- rubber-nose"? - But I'm not "any man". I'm her husband and your father. I keep being the same. A rubber nose doesn't make any difference. - If it doesn't make difference. So why to use it? - If it doesn't make difference. Why not to use it? - But… - My daughter… - Enough! Don't wanna talk to you anymore! You ain't my father no longer! So his wife and daughter left him. He lost all his clients. The secretary, who worked with him during 15 years, resigned suddenly the job, (She sent her resigning request by mail because none knows what a man with a rubber nose is capable of doing… Everybody was avoiding approach him). His closer friends, in a last try to save his reputation, convinced him to go to a psychiatrist. The psychiatrist concluded that there was nothing wrong with him. But said: -You'll have to agree that your behavior is a little strange. -Strange is the other's behavior! He said - I'm the same. Ninety and two percent of my body keeps equal. I haven't changed my way of dressing, nor of thinking, nor of behaving. I keep being a dentist, good husband, good father, taxpayer, and Fluminense team fan, everything as before. But people condemn all the rest because of my nose. A simple rubber nose caused all this. Are they meaning I'm not myself - I'm my nose??? -I see. Said the psychiatrist. Maybe you're right. What do you say? Is he wrong? Anyhow he didn't give himself up. He keeps using his false nose, because now, it isn't a "question of nose". It's a question of principles.
Subject: Silence
From: ejLight@light-mission.org (E.J.)
Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 15:31:34 GMT
Silence
A day of Silence Can be a pilgrimage in itself.
A day of Silence Can help you listen To the Soul play It's marvelous lute and drum.
Is not most talking A crazed defense of a crumbling fort?
I thought we came here To surrender in Silence,
To yield to Light and Happiness,
To Dance within In celebration of Love's Victory!
-- "I Heard God Laughing" (versions of Hafiz by Daniel Ladinsky)
Subject: RE: Knowledge?
From: "Ragland, Thomas" <TRagland@UMCOM.ORG>
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 08:24:23 -0500
If you cling to the words of the Wise today, it is the same as the clinging to the words of the Wise of the past.
If you are looking for a Holy Book to have all the answers, does it matter if the book is brand new 2002 or a translation of 2000 year old text? If you cling to it hoping that it will have all the answers, does it matter if it is new or old?
Lots of good pointers and clues in words both new and old, as long as you don't cling to them. Clinging to dogma is a chain that holds you back.
Detaching from the words of the Wise today or the words of the Wise of the past (which are probably from the same sentient beings anyway just recycled) will stop your clinging, true. But it may also keep you from the insight as to what they are pointing to.
The world has venerated and worshipped the Wise instead of looking at where they were pointing. The world has venerated and dogmatized the words of the Wise instead of looking at where they were pointing. The Wise today as in yesterday take the words and lives of other Wise and learn how to BE Wise themselves.
Subject: A Ray Of Light
From: Ray.of.Light@light-mission.org
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 04:40:59 GMT
Greetings Ye,
For the True Purpose of all manifested form is to do what it does. You see, "we are not perfect but we are perfection" -- to quote a legless frog friend.
Subject: kruizing mulholland drive
From: "Volker Munz" <volkerm@netidea.com>
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 23:09:35 -0800
it has bin said: 'Naming is a trick for possessing, and the un-possessable can not be possessed. We can not possess anything, for all in the physical realm is so impermanent. We can not even possess ourselves.'
a truth squared if ever eye 'herd' one, ray - we kan knot possess even ourselves but maniacally enuff 'we' ride the illusion for all 'she' is worth while at the same time, viscereally & intuitively 'knowing' that we are klogging our 'probosci' with the tricksters' krystaleen lines... or the lines of our own that the trickster seeded in 'us' before we were even borne...
if feels like if i wanna unkover my 'true' face i first have to get off of my own back...
like what am i piggybacking when there's not even a self that i kan piggy-back on...
& yet if u saw me at the mall, either konsuming cheeseboorgus in the foodcourt or fingering elvis or winnie the pooh memorabilia u wouldn't know that no body was home... nor could u tell that the beast of burden is riding on the mount...
as for naming 'things' - is adam then still sleeping & dreaming of koala bears & hummingbirds??? did einstein read with his lips & work out his equations with his fingers???
i, too, don't know, though everything i see still amazes me... i am generally always 'agape'... it is enuff for now...
franko zamboni
Subject: Motivator
From: ejLight@light-mission.org (E.J.)
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 13:53:29 GMT
~ The Tragedy ~
Who knows what an Evil Force lurks in the minds of man He gave it his best shot you could say and then he Ran, Evil hasn't force of it's own you're the one who gives it life Humanity has become it's conditioned programmed Wife.
Controlled manipulated automatons with conflict at Heart This is shown in their thinking and their behavior to start, Are there not more crimes in the streets today than was Is there something wrong with this picture or just because.
Are there not more innocent shootings by children today Than there were even a decade ago so the statistics say, Are there not more atrocities in all the parts of the world More corruption and deceit that organizations have hurled.
One does not have to look very far to readily see the proof That the evil is not out there but rather under our own roof, The pathetic robot we erroneously call 'Man' is saddening Not a good commentary in the Human Advancement ring.
You ask for a proof but all you have to do is look around The final frontier is not out there or buried in the ground, Rather Within our mind as our heart a mechanical wreck When we finally get on Inner Trek rather than Star Trek.
So pointing our finger at some contrived devil will only divert Attention away from Honestly Seeing what we must subvert, Because it is that Open Honest look into the Mirror of Truth That will reveal the Real Devil started way back in our youth.
They say it's a tragedy for life to end so soon broken heart But the Real tragedy is that they wait so long for it to Start, We perhaps can do something about the evil that malady For WE are the Cause of our own Suffering is the Tragedy.
Subject: Re: kruizing mulholland drive
From: ejLight@light-mission.org (E.J.)
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 13:50:03 GMT
Greetings Volker, you wrote: ->it has bin said: 'Naming is a trick for possessing, and the un-possessable ->can not be possessed. We can not possess anything, for all in the ->physical realm is so impermanent. We can not even possess ourselves.'
Surely these are words of Wisdom.
->a truth squared if ever eye 'herd' one, ray - we kan knot possess even ->ourselves but maniacally enuff 'we' ride the illusion for all 'she' is ->worth while at the same time, viscereally & intuitively 'knowing' that we are ->klogging our 'probosci' with the tricksters' krystaleen lines... or the ->lines of our own that the trickster seeded in 'us' before we were even ->borne...
Indeed a seedy character this Grand Trickster. Problem is that either we do not know, otherwise surely no one would tolerate it, or the addiction is greater than the Cure, or the Cure is too arduous and Painful so we rationalize it and otherwise learn to love it. It is the course of least resistance. The course the herd always takes. This "knowing" you speak of is the Grand Trickster's Data-Base, the very one we have to Burn.
->if feels like if i wanna unkover my 'true' face i first have to get off of ->my own back... ->like what am i piggybacking when there's not even a self that i kan ->piggy-back on...
It is all *virtual* Dear Friend. We invent the self so we can have a self to piggy-back on, and seek, and find. And we have played the game so long now that we Forget that it is just a game. It is just a word with no real substance and we give it our own meaning. So each self is a Gladiator, a Warrior, a Legend, yet only in our mind. Riding an Illusory steed dauntingly into the Battle we erroneously call life.
->& yet if u saw me at the mall, either konsuming cheeseboorgus in the ->foodcourt or fingering elvis or winnie the pooh memorabilia u wouldn't know ->that no body was home... nor could u tell that the beast of burden is ->riding on the mount...
Are you sure ? You can fool some of the people all the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all the people all the time, or you are just fooling yourself.
->as for naming 'things' - is adam then still sleeping & dreaming of koala ->bears & hummingbirds??? did einstein read with his lips & work out his ->equations with his fingers???
Who named Adam ? What was Adam's name before he was named ? Would it be Adam who is Dreaming or would it be the namer of Adam ? Perhaps what Einstein did not do was *read into* what he Apperceived. As such, Einstein needed no equations though the namer did so Einstein tapped his fingers on a chalk board. The named *reads* yet the namer *reads into*.
->i, too, don't know, though everything i see still amazes me... i am ->generally always 'agape'... it is enuff for now...
It is good that it is enough NOW because it is all there IS NOW, Wonder and Awe of What-IS. There is no other, other than in the mind of the namer. Is the namer nameless ?
Subject: Reality ?
From: ejLight@light-mission.org (E.J.)
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 13:59:29 GMT
Greetings Community,
It has been said: ->>This is about philosophy. Specifically, whether Nondualism and Monism ->>are just two names for the same concept.
Philosophies are ideas or concepts, even opinions in many cases, and indeed Monism is a philosophy. Yet Non-Duality is not philosophies or ideas or opinions or concepts, but rather a state of BEing. The fallacy is in reducing a state of BEing to a conceptualization in order to compare it to another concept. In so doing you are trying to compare an apple with an orange, thus the essence of both are lost in the translation. Though Non-Duality and Monism are close in many ways, they are not the same. Non-Dualism says that there IS only ONE (actually that there is not TWO), All IS One not Two, No-Thing. Monism says All things are One Thing. So it is the *Thing* that keeps Non-Duality and Monism at odds. Non-Dualists tend to be Observers AS Observed No-Thing, and Monists tend to be Observers Observing Things.
True ?
Subject: Re: Reality ?
From: <furst@earthlink.net>
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 07:20:31 -0700
Greeting to Humanity,
E.J.,
In my heart the answer is extremely true!! Monism the Observer sees what it wants to see.
In Non-Dualism there is nothing to see only Be as it IS.Or Observe as it IS
Breath Light & Send out Love
L. Furst
Subject: A Ray Of Light
From: Ray.of.Light@light-mission.org
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 04:49:04 GMT
Greetings Ye,
Whatever IS is What-IS, so What-IS can neither be wrong or invalid. Not to be confused with What-ISNOT, which is both wrong and invalid. Depending, of course, on which side of the Circle is Up. Or which Way the Legless Frog Jumps.
Subject: tidbits
From: "Volker Munz" <volkerm@telus.net>
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 21:41:40 -0700
"When you know a thing, to hold that you know it, and when you do not know a thing, to allow that you do not know it: this is knowledge." -- Confucius
it is also beauty, n'est-ce pas, of the most enscorcelling kind if we but had the 'eyes' to see IT...
love & lite, link dilko
Subject: A Ray Of Light
From: Ray.of.Light@light-mission.org
Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 04:49:53 GMT
Greetings,
Yet nothing, not even life itself, is worthy of the destruction of our Peace of Mind. Peace of mind is our greatest asset, so naturally it must be maintained regardless of the seeming costs.
Subject: RE: tidbits
From: "Ragland, Thomas" <TRagland@UMCOM.ORG>
Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 08:51:30 -0500
When you hold a thing And you know that your senses are limited And your understanding programmed by your education And you are not even sure of your own ability to hold anything That your programmed sensual experience Is no more than illusion And you wonder if there is really perhaps No one holding nothing And the thing held, the holder, And the act of holding, Are perhaps one and the same?
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